IFR Controller Training

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:03 pm

IFR YUL?

Hi or Lo?

Bruce Nahorny · Post by **Bruce Nahorny** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:47 am

CD · Post by CD » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:55 am

Bruce Nahorny wrote:I've trained many a young controller and you can either do the job or you cannot. It is that simple.

That just about sums it up...

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:23 am

Bruce Nahorny wrote:I've trained many a young controller and you can either do the job or you cannot. It is that simple.

When it comes to the OJT portion of the training when a student is getting paid.

When it comes to students not being able to attend the course because it's going to cost them $12,000 and they have no income, well it becomes a different story. Abilities can become blocked by not being able to show up in the first place.

the_professor · Post by **the_professor** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:08 am

invertedattitude wrote:because it's going to cost them $12,000

??

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:07 pm

Factoring all the costs of living for 8 months.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:46 pm

If you happen to end up training at a centre in your hometown, which for most is not likely to happen.

I'm lucky, I'm about 1.5 hours from my hometown, but obviously I worked here.... that's the thing about IFR only 7 places in the country you can call "Home"

For me there's only one place I want to be, and its right where I'm at.

Braun · Post by **Braun** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:46 am

Sorry for the late response here but our course is going to be one en-route lo sector and one terminal sub-unit. I have to say I agree with inverted about the costs. It might be similar to university except for the fact that here in Quebec no one recognizes NCTI as an educational institution. Which means people with house, cars, kids etc need to get loans to live for a very variable period of time depending on delays, pushbacks and all that fun stuff. It also means a lot of people, who may be very apt for the job don't bother even trying because to them risking a huge loan for a job that only a very small percent of people qualify for is a big risk.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:38 pm

It's a huge risk for the amount of money involved in a short period of time.

The difference being, even if you get your "Diploma" in IFR ATC, and don't qualify on the floor, the training is completely useless in any other field, and the money is gone.

At least with a university degree, it can be counted towards something, either further education or employment.

killer84 · Post by **killer84** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:30 pm

invertedattitude wrote:It's a huge risk for the amount of money involved in a short period of time.

The difference being, even if you get your "Diploma" in IFR ATC, and don't qualify on the floor, the training is completely useless in any other field, and the money is gone.

At least with a university degree, it can be counted towards something, either further education or employment.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

If a person goes to ATC school for 12 months at $5000, then works on the floor for 2 years only to be CT'd, they've made $30,000 over the 2 years. Total time invested is 2 years, net gain is $55,000. This person has nothing to offer other than "I almost made it at a really tough job".

If a person goes to university for 3 years, at a cost of $5000 a year, and then fails out, they are down $15000, again without anything to offer anybody.

Why are you letting the University grad finish their schooling when comparing the two?

Seems like ATC is the better route.....

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:43 pm

Compare the percentage of graduates of all who apply to ATC and get a license, to the same of university students, you'll get my point.

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:22 pm

hey inverted...you think too much man...sometimes the process is what it is, and the result doesnt always need to be quantified...I think every pursuit in life is a risk and sometimes the more you think about the pros/cons, the more likely you are to miss the whole point...

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:15 pm

Regardless of anyones thoughts, I'd be willing to bet in the next 10 years the training rules/regulations/requirements will change 5 or 6 times.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:09 pm

cpl_atc wrote:
invertedattitude wrote:Compare the percentage of graduates of all who apply to ATC and get a license, to the same of university students, you'll get my point.
I know what you're saying. I just don't think that the current financial expectations are as out of line as some people do, that's all. Either way, the training is a risky proposition, no arguing that.

Maybe it wouldn't be as bad if they let trainees buy cots and sleep in the classroom, shower in the gym.

I probably would have done it

Braun · Post by **Braun** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:24 am

Haha, I like going to school but i'd prefer shower at home!

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:45 am

My work shower is probably cleaner.... ha ha