Peace Air Again....in YYC???

ybp · Post by **ybp** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:02 pm

I heard PA landed in YYC with and engine fire. Anyone have any more info on it. Apparently it was a successful landing....no injuries.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Thu May 03, 2007 6:54 am

they came into YEG last week on 1 engine with the Jetstream

Goose757 · Post by **Goose757** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:25 am

Can anyone confirm that these are in fact two SEPARATE incidents? Two engine failures/fires in a week. Jeez.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:34 am

we were holding short at the time and saw the 1 engine Jetstream come in.....the boys/gals did a great job!!!!!

Dave T · Post by **Dave T** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:39 am

In YC or EG. There was something in YEG but would be interesting to know if something else happened in YYC.

swordfish · Post by **swordfish** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:35 pm

Hey ybp, goose....before you get goosed, what FIRE are you referring to? For that matter, what is the FIRST incident you are referring to?

Hey, skyhigh, Jetstreams have 2 engines, fyi, and they were both running normally when the plane landed. On top of that it was the right engine, landing on rwy 12; you sure you "saw" that? May I remind you you're under oath...

Before you post this drivel on a public site, kindly get your facts right. In fact, get some FACTS before you post at all.

btw, C_t_E's landings are always perfect...

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:08 pm

Swordfish seems a little defensive on the Peace Air subject going by the posts on this and another thread.

So why don't you clear it up FISH... was it neither engine or the right engine? Why don't you enlighten these people with some of your "facts"...

FL30 · Post by **FL30** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:12 pm

C_T_E....is a rigger

ybp · Post by **ybp** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:39 pm

I heard that they landed with an engine fire, and I was told that is was YYC

. That is why I started thread, Swordfish, so I could get the facts

. You don't have to get so offensive I was just wanting to get some straight answers.

And by "again", I was refering to the string of bad luck that Peace Air has been having the past year or so.

Thanks for the info though guys, maybe we can get this story straight in the end.

ybp · Post by **ybp** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:40 pm

I heard that they landed with an engine fire, and I was told that is was YYC

. That is why I started thread, Swordfish, so I could get the facts

. You don't have to get so offensive I was just wanting to get some straight answers.

And by "again", I was refering to the string of bad luck that Peace Air has been having the past year or so.

Thanks for the info though guys, maybe we can get this story straight in the end.

Goose757 · Post by **Goose757** » Fri May 04, 2007 8:16 am

swordfish wrote:Hey ybp, goose....before you get goosed, what FIRE are you referring to? For that matter, what is the FIRST incident you are referring to?

Hey, skyhigh, Jetstreams have 2 engines, fyi, and they were both running normally when the plane landed. On top of that it was the right engine, landing on rwy 12; you sure you "saw" that? May I remind you you're under oath...

Before you post this drivel on a public site, kindly get your facts right. In fact, get some FACTS before you post at all.

btw, C_t_E's landings are always perfect...

Since you know so much, why don't you fill us in?

swordfish · Post by **swordfish** » Fri May 04, 2007 12:09 pm

Ok, you get a few facts...but wait! There's more to follow!

a/c had beta warning light on r.eng
engine responded normally to movements of power lever (no shutdown indicated)
r. eng had fire warning
no fire observed; fire warning went to sleep, didn't reawaken
engine responded normally to pwr lever
crew went thru QRH for Beta light
didn't know what to think about fire warning so they decided to come back and land
landed normally, under normal power, good landing I hear even tho the guy is a rigger (but... not a rigpig)
taxied normally
had condition checked out; plane could not continue the day, so the crew got in another plane and continued their good work.

OK...??

swordfish · Post by **swordfish** » Fri May 04, 2007 12:45 pm

Here's what galls me about this board:

Some lame-ass preppie ex-employee primma-donna with no real experience, without a clue what's going on in the industry gets on there, hiding behind some dink-featured pseudenom, who cannot spell or put together a 3-word sentence without grammatical errors, and starts pontificating about some non-event in the form of a carelessly-worded question that forms the basis for:

slagging the maintenance of the company
making snide comments about the Ops Manager without ANY understanding of who they are, what they do, or the stresses they face in day-to-day operations
start biting about what they got paid, or hard they had to work there (good God! they actually had to WORK for a paycheque..???)
the general state of morale in the company
company leadership and management
reducing the business future of the company to that of Enron

All this shit gets tiring, dudes. errr. hello...? It stemmed from some non-event that doesn't even rate your time at $15/hour to post it.

If the posters has any credibility, or writing skills, it could be worded in non-inflammatory, non-suggestive, non-inuendo, and stick to the fuckn facts about what actually happened.

Here's what I read:
ybp:

I heard...landed in YYC with and engine fire

(the "I heard" part gets lost in translation on the second or third post)

goose:

in fact two SEPARATE incidents? Two engine failures/fires in a week. Jeez.

What sort of crap question/suggestion is that? it is COMPLETELY without foundation.

skyhigh:

and saw the 1 engine Jetstream come in

errr, hello, dude...? You cannot see the right engine of an aircraft landing on runway 12, and if you DID (sowing the crop in the south field?) you would not have seen anything abnormal.

The same thing happens with Regency, Trans West, Keystone, Perimeter - just to mention a few of the other poor bastards that have been condemned from your exhaustive accumulation of the facts, tried before a properly convened court of law, handed down a decision from an experienced judge/be-all-end-all-of -civil-aviation-knowledge-&-experience, and sentenced to a lifetime of recovery, defending a gear-not-down light.

Think this over before you post.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:11 pm

Geez.....someone missed their saucer of milk this morning.

anyways here was the scenerio......we were taxiing out to hold short of 12...there were 2 aircrafts ahead of us and then we overheard ground mention to one of them that an aircraft was coming in on 1 engine. The only aircraft we saw was a Peace Air Jetstream land and taxiied right behind us with 1 engine shut down....so we both assumed that it was the aircraft that Ground was talking about....I didnt realize that they probably shut it down after landing to save fuel while taxiing. I should know better than to assume anything in aviation so for this I do apologize. It was not my intention to start any mudslinging about Peace Air. But dude you gotta relax man.

ybp · Post by **ybp** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:48 pm

Swordfish, thanks for giving the facts, that is what I was trying to get in the first place. Otherwise rumors get started. Now I can tell the person that gave me the facts, that he was wrong.

Thanks Skyhigh, that just proves that there are a few people on this forum that have a backbone. We get all excited about what someone said and blow our lid before we actually stop to comprehend the facts. But hey, that is what makes our day interesting I guess

. Reading this thread sure kept me entertained for a while.

Thanks guys for all the contributions....and the facts.

Phlyer · Post by **Phlyer** » Fri May 04, 2007 8:05 pm

Are not all former PA employees prima donnas?

. . · Post by **. .** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:38 pm

swordfish: Regency got less than they ever deserved. Perimeter like any company it's size has a few bad apples. Only someone foolish would let two bad apples ruin the reputation of a whole company.

tiggermoth · Post by **tiggermoth** » Fri May 04, 2007 11:06 pm

I think that the "again" that ybp states goes back to January 6 in Fort St. John, and the Chieftan that went off the runway somewhere. Hmmmmm, run of bad luck maybe?????

W0X0F · Post by **W0X0F** » Sat May 05, 2007 12:40 pm

FZYB a Jetstream with 'Peace Air' painted on it's side is sitting in an Edmonton (CYEG) hangar. The right engine is in a crate. There are scorch marks visible in the nacelle area.

While I'm not a fan of wild speculation, matters were more serious that swordfish would have us accept.

Coastal Cowboy · Post by **Coastal Cowboy** » Sat May 05, 2007 1:30 pm

Are you sure these are not simply Soote? Time spent around turbines and you'll often see little runs and black marks around the nacelles that are truant soote from the exhaust.

Jetstreams always seem to have black crap all over them. Hope that it was not indeed an engine fire cause that would suck.

CC

i aint gettin rich · Post by **i aint gettin rich** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:21 pm

swordfish you are 100% the same as the people you complain about. If you dont like the stuff posted dont come on the sight. your kinda a moron..

hehe that will get the threads comin

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:39 pm

Swordfish,

I thought I heard somewhere about "2 emergenies in one week, but atleast the gear came down". you wouldn't know anything about that would you?.... hahah...

Merlin

Frank Castle · Post by **Frank Castle** » Sat May 05, 2007 5:42 pm

Told by AME in YEG that it was a bleed air leak and the engine was not shut down, just pulled to flight idle, leak continued and fried everything, blew bottles on ground. Again, I was not told this by PA employee, just AME in the Hangar. I am just glad she landed safe and all are OK.

Frank

wanpaku-ed · Post by **wanpaku-ed** » Sat May 05, 2007 6:29 pm

hey I Ain't gettin' rich, my brother from another motha, you nailed it right on the fa-king head with that one.

As for you sword"pseudo intellect"fish boy ... holy fuk man. What is your dilemma. I think you have had one, or maybe a dozen, too many helmet fires brought on by excessive use of hemp products back in the 60s, maybe the 70s and 80s. Your grasp of the English language is staggering. Where are you coming from "dude"? What are you trying to prove with the shit coming out of your fingers for all of us to read in bewilderment?

The only thing you are accomplishing with your psychotic rants is to prove, to everyone here, that peaceair is a shithole with loooooonatic people running the show.

Ps I hope my grammer and vocabulary doesn't offend you. I would hate to get a C minus in your school of English as a second language.

Tube Driver · Post by **Tube Driver** » Sun May 06, 2007 9:11 pm

I cannot believe the utter trash that comes from some of the pilots on this board. I seriously hope that none of you who attack Peace Air ever are on the receiving end of this shit. I assume that all of you are in pristine corporate machines that never have any mechanical issues. Although I seriously doubt this. In fact most of you a more than likely low timers who could not get on with Peace and now are bitter and just look to bash them.. Remember this boys, it is a small industry and what you say or post as the case may be does have a way of coming back to bite you in the ass. As for the rest of you keep looking, I am sure you will get off the ramp someday and find your first job.. But not with that attitude.