BE20 vis BE10

[MAXDIFF]

I have a question with regards to the BE 20 and BE10 PPC endorsement.
Are they transferable? If you are PPC'ed on the 200 can you fly the 100 if you have extra training? or are they two totally different endorsement's?

thanks in advance!

[Northern Flyer]

I believe that they are totally differant. You would need two seperate PPC's to cover both planes.

[jimmyjazz]

Companys can apply too have group endorsments and get groups of simalar ac under one umbrella endorsement I beleive these 2 are approved for this but I don't know if many companys do this. Another thing is that if you get a PPC under this it is only transferable to an opperator that has the same ac's under the same grouping. So you could have a PPC under this grouping of ac's' be flying a 200 go to an operator that only has a 200 and your PPC is in valid.

[1st timer]

They are different.
However once you have both PPC's one will renew they other as long as they are not back to back on the same a/c. eg youppc the 100 in june and then the 200 in dec you have renewed the 100 as well. the next time you renew, renew the 100 and it will renew the 200. But check with Transport as the rule may have change in the last couple of years.

[MAXDIFF]

thank's alot for your help.. anyone know any operator's looking for a B200 captain?

[The_other_guy]

Why did you leave the plugs in the engine again??? How about NAC in cype..

[Full Ins]

Little Red had an ad for crew not long ago for High Level or Fort Vermill

[oldtimer]

The two airplanes are different types but can be grouped. What this means is if you do initial training on both types, an initial PPC on both types and one recurrent on one type, then you can do a PPC on one that will renew the PPC on the other, provided recurrent training is done on both. In theory, you should only have to do a PPC every 4 years on one type if this is authorised in your company ops manual. So PPC, then training in lieu of PPC, then PPC etc. A PPC failure fails both types. On the bright side, modern thinking is that there is no such thing as a failure, just more training until you get it right. One thing they are trying to eliminate is testitst. Really, what is accomplished by failing a candidate. Are we not better off with more training. But that is in the future.

[co-joe]

I don't know where you guy are getting this from but no you cannot group a 100 and a 200 in any way. The 100 and the 90 can be grouped. So can the 200 and the F90, but that's it as far as I know. cj

[chief]

The 100 and 200 CAN be grouped. we have them grouped

[ahramin]

Of course they can be grouped cj

Approved Groupings for Recurrent PPCs for CAR 703 Aeroplanes

The list represents all groupings that have been approved to date by Transport Canada. It does not represent all possible groupings. Operators that would like consideration of a grouping that is not on the list of approved groupings, and is not one of the groupings cancelled should apply to their Principal Operations Inspector (POI).

BEECHCRAFT
D95A Travelaire E55 Baron
E55 Baron D95A B58 PA31
B58 Baron E55
BE 80 Queen Air PA31
BE90 King Air (A90, B90, C90) F90
F90 King Air BE90 (A90, B90, C90), BE10, BE20
BE10 King Air BE90 (A90, B90, C90), BE20, BE99
B99 Airliner BE10
BE20 King Air BE10

ahramin

[KAG]

They can be grouped. You ido an initial PPC (5 hours training, written exams, rides)on both machines, then next year training (2 hours, written exams) on both, but only 1 ride. If you have 2 year PPC you do training(2 hours each machine) in leu of and PCC (loft) ride on one machine.

[co-joe]

My mistake, apparently they can be grouped. Cool! cj