Jazz or Corporate?

Cupid Stunt · Post by **Cupid Stunt** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:39 am

Which will get you to Mainline or WJ Quicker? Better quality of life, pay etc...?? Just looking for other people's thoughts...P.S 4000 TT 500 Multi Turbine ATPL

CS

P180 · Post by **P180** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:47 am

Cupid Stunt wrote:Which will get you to Mainline or WJ Quicker? Better quality of life, pay etc...?? Just looking for other people's thoughts...P.S 4000 TT 500 Multi Turbine ATPL

CS

Well I think the way the airlines are hiring right now that you would be out of your mind if you didn't try to get on with Jass or WJ. I made that mistake 30 years ago .This hiring that is going on is going to stop so apply now and you will be surprised how things will workout.

Golden Flyer · Post by **Golden Flyer** » Sun May 13, 2007 12:08 pm

I would apply directly to mainline & WJ.

Cupid Stunt · Post by **Cupid Stunt** » Sun May 13, 2007 12:15 pm

Golden Flyer wrote:I would apply directly to mainline & WJ.

I've got the old resume out with AC & WJ, havent heard anything back, wondering what the next best move is....

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Sun May 13, 2007 12:43 pm

Two totally different worlds. If you are targetting AC or WJ, then stick with relevent experience. If you go to Jazz, you will be getting that experience.

Corporate pay will be a lot better than Jazz. Maybe not if you go to Skyservice or Chartright but then, they are not corporate.

fougapilot · Post by **fougapilot** » Sun May 13, 2007 5:34 pm

If you objective is to fly for the airlines, don't go Corporate.

You can do the Lear thing at Skyservice (thats not corporate, its medevac) great jet time builder. Crappy lifestyle, but hey 1000hrs of jet per year is not that bad.

If you go to Jazz, your chances of going to AC are decreased. True, some guys make the jump, but most wont.

True corporate flying is not a good time builder (I fly 230hrs per year) and is more for people that see this as a permanent gig.

my 2 cents

F

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sun May 13, 2007 5:39 pm

Jazz is a great way to get to WJ. Forget AC from Jazz unless things change. There is no bond with Jazz, and you get almost all the things that will polish your resume (jet/heavy time, EFIS, FMS, 705). WJ hires about half of each course from Jazz, so it's a great way to get in there.

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:24 am

Do what makes you happy.

You have to ask yourself the following: Will I be happy at company Jazz/Corporate if things at WJ or AC do not work out?

You will be one miserable dude/dudette if your aspirations are not met and you are unhappy with your current gig. That said you could always try something else if that were to occur.

Flying a true corporate gig isn't a time builder. Over the past two years I have flown well under 500 hours. It seems that the are airlines gear their hiring towards hour requirements, matrix scores, etc, so if you want to go that way then go get what they want.

Sounds simple right???

NEO

tsgas · Post by **tsgas** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:51 am

Corporate flying is risky. When the bean counters see profits slip they sell the airplane and buy a fraction or charter.
Make better sense if you're older and can't wait to move up in seniority with the majors.

privateer · Post by **privateer** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:47 am

well if thats the case fly with a company like air sprint or skyservice

SkyKing · Post by **SkyKing** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:42 pm

Here's another quick scenario...

Say if your "goal" is to go to AirCanada.

Is it better to go corporate to try to get the jet, efis etc time?

or...

Are you better to try for Jazz in hopes of going to AC.

I have always heard that going to Jazz decreases your chances of going to AC...

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Thu May 17, 2007 5:18 am

I see no reason to go to Jazz unless you want to be there... unless you want to get a WJ interview. Go for the corporate Gig.

learcapt · Post by **learcapt** » Thu May 17, 2007 5:44 am

flyinphil, fougapilot..have either of you flown for Skyservice? Jazz pay better than Skyservice, are you crazy? Even starting on the Lear 35 group, as a year one F/O the pay is much better than Jazz. Once you move over to corporate it is even better and please dont compare us with Chartright, we are not even close to being the same type of company, over 50 corporate aircraft and counting.

Do the Lear thing?, flying 1000 hours a year? give me a break, no one flies that and having a minimum of 10 guaranteed days off a month at home base is not a bad lifestyle. AC and Jazz have taken so many 35 guys (at least 20) guys over the last 2 years, that it surely says something about the experience ones gets on that program. It is respected among the community.

See ya.

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Thu May 17, 2007 6:03 am

learcapt wrote:flyinphil, fougapilot..have either of you flown for Skyservice? Jazz pay better than Skyservice, are you crazy? Even starting on the Lear 35 group, as a year one F/O the pay is much better than Jazz. Once you move over to corporate it is even better and please dont compare us with Chartright, we are not even close to being the same type of company, over 50 corporate aircraft and counting.

Do the Lear thing?, flying 1000 hours a year? give me a break, no one flies that and having a minimum of 10 guaranteed days off a month at home base is not a bad lifestyle. AC and Jazz have taken so many 35 guys (at least 20) guys over the last 2 years, that it surely says something about the experience ones gets on that program. It is respected among the community.

See ya.

learcapt, did you a) read the initial post, b) read my post? If you did my friend, you have a language comprehension problem.

The original post was to get to AC or WJ which way would you go? My response (after 30 years in this industry) is to go to Jazz as it is "like" (means similar) to AC and WJ and offers a good time building opportunity.

If you want to make money, go to corporate. If you think a management company pays the same as a true Corporate gig, you are VERY mistaken. This statement does not mean nor even imply that Jazz pilots make more than SSV pilots.

Nobody criticized SSV so no need to get your panties in a knot. No, I don't work for SSV but am intimately familiar with them and their Sr. management.

learcapt · Post by **learcapt** » Thu May 17, 2007 6:52 am

This does not imply that Jazz makes more than SSV pilots?

"Corporate pay will be a lot better than Jazz. Maybe not if you go to Skyservice or Chartright but then, they are not corporate"

You better read again my friend. I did not say that anyone was bashing Sky, simply stating the facts. But of course you are "intimately familiar" with SSV, but never having actually worked there.

I do agree with you that the two are different worlds, and have a good day.

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Thu May 17, 2007 7:11 am

learcapt wrote:This does not imply that Jazz makes more than SSV pilots?

"Corporate pay will be a lot better than Jazz. Maybe not if you go to Skyservice or Chartright but then, they are not corporate"

You better read again my friend. I did not say that anyone was bashing Sky, simply stating the facts. But of course you are "intimately familiar" with SSV, but never having actually worked there.

I do agree with you that the two are different worlds, and have a good day.

Learcapt, Actually, no, it does not imply that at all. Seeing you insist on going down this road, I know for a fact, that Captains at Jazz are better paid than some Captains at SSV. They are certainly better paid than alll Lear Captains. Entry level and top end pay at SSV vary greatly based on equipment, managed customer and individual experience level.

Supposing, as a business and industry veteran, that I have friendships with both PC and RP. Do you think it remotely possible that I may have indepth discussions with them pertaining to all things SSV? Perhaps they even manage an aircraft I own? Would I not be knowlegeable of the company and still not be an employee?

Beater driver · Post by **Beater driver** » Thu May 17, 2007 12:12 pm

stay corporate

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