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DA-900 who are you kidding???Integra has done the best it ever has since moving to YEG,upgrading from a KA-100 to a Jetstream 31.The YXD argument is old,really old...By the way more than a few RJ's flying here airport whiz...Let me enlighten you;A319's,A320's,73G's,732's, 733's,F-100's,762's,763's,727's,E-190's,Etc...Hardly RJ's.Fastest growing airport in Canada at the moment.And yes its a boom or bust market,but so is YYC.Give the XD argument a rest.And Peaceair should go from PA to PU=Pay up!!!I didnt realize people still talked about YXD.
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skyismine no I'm not kidding. First of all Integra was not asked to move, it was forced to move. So there are doing better well that's great, but it should be up to them if they want to move. Why don't you ask the pax if they want to go to YEG or YXD.

Thank you, but I'm very aware of the planes that fly out of the airport. My point was United, Delta, American, Continental and no International airlines have schedule service to Edmonton. As I stated there are a few regional airlines flying RJ's and Air Canada has 1 international schedule flight. Most of Westjet's and Air Canada's US flights are winter seasonal.

So as I said before that consolidation has not done anything that they had promised. No 747's flying over head waiting to land as the ERAA had told everybody. No schedule international flights other than what I mentioned above. Yes everybody is quite aware of what types of airplanes visit YEG, but look out your window at two o'clock and count the one or two airplanes out there. Yes not letting any small carriers use YXD is really paying off.
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Also dont forget Westjet's hub at EG,its currently the #3 hub behind YYC and YYZ.Feel free to come take a tour of the airport at your mentioned 1400 local,I can assure you there are more than 2 planes here at that time.I work here I would know...
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skyismine wrote:^I am surprised we werent blamed,We fueled PA and leased them a space at YEG.When they didnt pay the fuel bill we cut them off,although they did continue to pay for the leased space we are still owed a hefty six figure amount for fuel....Will we ever get it?Not likely.And to blame EAA is weak as Integra air moved its ops from YXD to YEG and is doing the best it ever has.

Are you a shareholder over there at Executive or something? What a douchebag. Does your pay check get affected by wether or not they pay their bill. :roll:
Blaming the EAA is not weak. Sure PA had other problems, but moving to YEG certainly was hard for them.
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skyismine wrote:I can assure you there are more than 2 planes here at that time.I work here I would know...
On executive's ramp? more then 2 planes?? hahahah I don't think so.
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R22,is that who I think it is?Not going down to your level dude.Man your still the same loser you always were.Oh sorry your ''super cool''.
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Yes, just found out tonight.....While watching the TV News....I wasn't on that email distribution list......Email sent by an Employee not management.

All I can say is, perhaps in the Name of Aviaiotn safety, probably the best move....


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skyismine wrote:R22,is that who I think it is?Not going down to your level dude.Man your still the same loser you always were.Oh sorry your ''super cool''.
ouch.....I'm sorry for insulting for. when you drop the "l" word I turtle.
so i'm sorry.


oh hey.....I know how you roll....leave a message on the manager's phone saying you quit at 2 am rather then manning up and putting your 2 weeks in.
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skyismine I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you. My beef is with the ERAA. I know YEG very well as I do fly one of the fore mentioned aircraft you listed into YEG almost every day. My point is that after ten years very little has changed at YEG. Yes of course Westjet is doing well. Is that because of consolidation or Westjet as a whole? Me thinks the latter. Yes the airport is busier, but the city is booming as well.

I don't have a problem with YEG. I was born and rasied there. I do have a problem with a tyranny that changes the rules as they see fit. To tell QuikAir that they can not service YXD anymore because those 10 pax when they get to YYC may take a $25 cab ride to the main terminal from the south side of the airport where QuikAir's terminal was located and board a international flight is demented.

That is what I have a problem with. :x
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My point was United, Delta, American, Continental and no International airlines have schedule service to Edmonton
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What about United to Chicago, San Francisco and Denver, Northwest to MSP, Delta to Salt Lake City, US Air (America West Express) to Vegas and Phoenix, and Horizon Air to Seattle. With the exception of two flights, these have all been added as new destinations within the past two years and doesnt even include Air Canada and Westjet adding about another dozen new destinations. YEG is growing fast.
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got me there,little boy. :wink:
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nah I'm a little round. Far from little. Got a few pounds on you. :twisted:
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Sucks to see that all the rumours weren't in fact just that. Hope everyone that hadn't already jumped ship finds work quickly. Its gotta suck ramping for 12-16 months only to have to start all over again.
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If there are any PC12 drivers out there with a PPC looking for work; PM me.

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07Canucks wrote:
My point was United, Delta, American, Continental and no International airlines have schedule service to Edmonton
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What about United to Chicago, San Francisco and Denver, Northwest to MSP, Delta to Salt Lake City, US Air (America West Express) to Vegas and Phoenix, and Horizon Air to Seattle. With the exception of two flights, these have all been added as new destinations within the past two years and doesnt even include Air Canada and Westjet adding about another dozen new destinations. YEG is growing fast.
My point was United, Delta, American, Continental and no International airlines have schedule service to Edmonton. As I stated there are a few regional airlines flying RJ's
07Canucks as a said in my post United, Delta, Alaska don't fly to YEG their regional companies do. American pulled out 10 years ago and Continental pulled out last year. If you think YEG is an "International Airport" you have to get out more. Go look at YYC you will see that United, Delta, American, Continental, British, ect. do fly there.
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DA-900 I partially agree with you on some aspects but not all,YXD could have a niche and already does.For flights to YYC I agree it should have some service to that point for the buisness folks.The argument is the same one YYZ had to deal with when it came to YTZ.The GTAA now allows limited service from YTZ with Porter.Maybe a few flights to YYC should be thought about as the only people using the service would be mainly buisness travellers and would pose little to no threats to YEG.As for Rj's YYC gets them also Jazz flys them to IAH from YYC,HP to Phoenix and Las vegas,and even UA's regional subsidaries serve YYC.You seem to forget that YYC is a hub for AC and that brings about competition.If YEG was a hub could you imagine?Also looks like F9 is dropping YYC this fall due to low loads,so perhaps a little too much competition.Dont forget YEG is the fastest growing major airport in Canada at the moment in terms of monthly passenger number's.You have some valid points,but so do I.
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The move of most passenger service to the International airport is not entirely Edmonton Airports fault. The people of Edmonton espcially those living near City Center were instumental in getting this to eventually happen, they have been complaning about noise for ten years. Now I do think it was ridiculous to restrict passenger loads because that has nothing to do with noise, what about biz jets flying in and out daily? As for Calgary, they will always be more of an International airport than us. They've been a major business center for longer than Edmonton, so attracted the International carriers sooner. There is no sense operating major International routes from two cities so close together, the airlines will continue to feed passengers to YYC for conecting flight. YEG's best chance for growth is to attract major cargo carriers, providing them a dedicated runway with facilities at a lower cost than Anchorage.
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"All I can say is, perhaps in the Name of Aviaiotn safety, probably the best move...."

That is wisdom right there. For the last few months they have barely been able to meet their MEL's.

However, I assume that Alta Flights/FlightTech will be closing it's Calgary base then? Surely no one else but Q Jets will send their aircraft there in the foreseeable future.

There are going to be a lot of angry customers: First Quik Air, and now there is Peace Air and the possibilty that things might not go so well for Q Jets, who are also maintaned by Alta Flights/FlightTech.

I really hope that all of the AME's at FlightTech are not left hanging, waiting for money that will never come.

And then there is Calvin. Enough said.
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07Canucks good post. I agree with you as do most, about YEG to YYC comparison. Calgary has more of the economic drive that makes it more an international stop, and as you said it makes no sense to have two airports that close fighting for the same flights. I don’t understand is why the ERAA continue to halt any small 10 seat or less operators from flying from YXD. There excuse is they will steal passengers from YEG international flights that don’t and never have existed.

As for the debate to move the flights to YEG your points are valid, but the ERAA also used scare tactics as well as misleading information as well. Telling people of Edmonton that YEG would close down. That if we move the flights to YEG 747's would be landing from all over the world. They also let people know of the loads that were using YXD were a lot higher that actual. The info they released would include pax traveling through eg. YQU-YYC via YXD. It made it look like everyone was using YXD to fly to there destination even if they were just passing through.

As for the people living by the YXD, you, I and I’m sure everyone else has the same comment. Don’t move there if you don’t like airplane noise. My God the airport has been there for over 75 years. DUH!

Any who just my two cents.

PS. skyismine valid points!
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Yes, STL. Consolidation tends to raise numbers...

Integra does well? Good for them. What routes do they service? How about Direct Air, Quick Air, Corpac and Peace Air? Just to name a few that have been bent by the ERAA. No, they have not raised fuel or maintenance prices, but they have certainly made it difficult to provide convenient service for their niche/demographic market. It is now less of a hassle to drive a certain distance/radius from Edmonton than it does to fly. It may not affect companies south of CYXD, but it impacts the ones to the North.

The ERAA increases it service(s) at the expense of of others. As an Edmontonian/pilot, I have not seen an improvement in service. In fact, over the past ten years, all I have experienced is inconvenience.

Edmonton Economic Development? With this type of service, why would I want to head my corporation(s) there? Keep your gentrification plan going for the downtown core, because it is the last place I would want to do business.
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CYXD will most likely be closed in 2 years anyways. Most if not ALL of the leases aparently come due within the next 2 years. Devlopers have their eyes on the real estate, and for years developers have been living with the building restrictions that come from the ILS . If you look at the Stationland development ( 2- 30 storey towers) runway 12/30 will be the first to go. This development is almost on the extended centerline for 30.
Plus, there was a recent proposal to build another tower downtown that would be taller than Manulife place. This apparently comprimises the ILS safety zone...Money talks, and I can see the day when the aiport is closed and sold off.
The way Edmonton is growing , YEG is only 5-6 miles south of the newest developments in south Edmonton. The drive time is becoming lerss relevant as traffic exceeds the capacity of most roads. Edmontonians are living with traffic and are now becoming used to living in a 'big' city. It takes longer to get from YYZ to downtown TO or YVR to downtown Vancouver than YEG to downtown Edmonton..... Just a thought.
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tailgunner wrote:CYXD will most likely be closed in 2 years anyways. Most if not ALL of the leases aparently come due within the next 2 years. Devlopers have their eyes on the real estate, and for years developers have been living with the building restrictions that come from the ILS . If you look at the Stationland development ( 2- 30 storey towers) runway 12/30 will be the first to go. This development is almost on the extended centerline for 30.
Plus, there was a recent proposal to build another tower downtown that would be taller than Manulife place. This apparently comprimises the ILS safety zone...Money talks, and I can see the day when the aiport is closed and sold off.
The way Edmonton is growing , YEG is only 5-6 miles south of the newest developments in south Edmonton. The drive time is becoming lerss relevant as traffic exceeds the capacity of most roads. Edmontonians are living with traffic and are now becoming used to living in a 'big' city. It takes longer to get from YYZ to downtown TO or YVR to downtown Vancouver than YEG to downtown Edmonton..... Just a thought.
Who still flies sched service into YXD, is it only Mikisew now? How many charter companies are based there? Don't Airco and North Cariboo have charter bases there? How much business traffic do they get into YXD on a daily basis?
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I believe that the only airport in a major Canadian center to have less traffic than CYEG was Mirabel. Is it not an amusement park now? In fact now that I think of it, it has quite a bit in common with CYEG, one is an amusement park and the other is a gost town.

From what I have heard around the field, Q Jets is not a commercial carrier, it is a private outfit of some sort. But I do not know, so will not comment.
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