Why did the RJ gear collapse?

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:38 pm

I see that a Jazz RJ had it's main gear collapse after landing in YYZ...why or how did this happen any news on this Jazzers?

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Mon May 21, 2007 2:41 pm

Well first the gear collapsed, then it scrunched up into the wing, at the same time, the airplane came down, dragging its flaps on the ground.....

Seriously, Im sure we'll know soon enough, but mechanical failures do happen. When I hear what was the cause, I'll post it on here.

2low · Post by **2low** » Mon May 21, 2007 11:44 pm

Simple answer is.... it was one that came from Air Canada. An airplane can only take so much abuse.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:55 am

2low wrote:Simple answer is.... it was one that came from Air Canada. An airplane can only take so much abuse.

Ba-Da Bing

Old fella · Post by **Old fella** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:39 am

Flightlevels wrote:I see that a Jazz RJ had it's main gear collapse after landing in YYZ...why or how did this happen any news on this Jazzers?

Speedbumps

PeteThePilot · Post by **PeteThePilot** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:08 am

Nuts I just posted my 2 cents on the Jazz private forum.

Apparently caused by a hard landing (?), tail 104.

PS I was on days off

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:06 pm

What Ive heard is that it was a hard landing as well. Apparently one of the gears was nearly ripped out of the wing, and the engines are damaged from FOD when the flaps struck the ground. Sounds like a write-off.

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:14 pm

Good lord how hard did they hit? To do that kind of damage you would really have to driver on!!

Sage · Post by **Sage** » Tue May 22, 2007 2:16 pm

I've personally witnessed quite a few...both as DH'ing pax and operating. And no...they weren't mine.

There is one Capt in particular that likes to do that on every landing and I make sure I'm prepared for a collapsed gear scenario whenever I fly with him...which was quite often. I was always scared to death whenever it was his turn and it was a YQT leg or something. I tried talking to him about it but he just brushes it off saying the gear can handle them. Hope he's paying attention.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Tue May 22, 2007 3:40 pm

bcflyer wrote:Good lord how hard did they hit? To do that kind of damage you would really have to driver on!!

Was talking with another guy I know earlier, sounds like it was a Seneca grad flying

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:26 pm

I would guess the plane is a total write off. I saw some pictures of the airplane. The left flap is completly destroyed, and the right gear is on top of the wing. There is a close up of what I think is a spar, and it's broken.

Since I value my job, I won't post the pictures on a public forum. Sorry.

I feel really bad for the skipper. I have flown with him and he's a first rate guy. It couldn't have happened to a less deserving individual.

Foxe · Post by **Foxe** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:45 pm

is it a yyz crew ?

Obbie · Post by **Obbie** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:57 pm

Hey look at the bright side !!!!

At least it was one of the shit 100's !!!!!

We won't be seeing that one anymore !!!!!

Three cheers I say !!!!!!!!

dangerous · Post by **dangerous** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:58 pm

How does the company deal with the crew if an accident like this is not a pilot error? What about if it is a pilot error?

timbuck · Post by **timbuck** » Tue May 22, 2007 6:07 pm

Foxe wrote:is it a yyz crew ?

yes.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Tue May 22, 2007 6:36 pm

People make mistakes, while I have no knowledge of the incident, assuming there was no mal-intent hopefully the crew can learn from the mistakes made, if there were any, and keep flying.

dashx · Post by **dashx** » Wed May 23, 2007 6:26 pm

Does anybody want to blame metal fatigue? Perhaps ??? Cracks in the gear......maybe...

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Wed May 23, 2007 6:44 pm

Having flown the RJ, and yes had a few landings im not so proud of, I can't imagine that a single landing did what was described, that plane has some tough gear. Metal wear, and years of use, sure, but not one landing. If it was infact a bad landing, damn, thats a bad one.
Also not a good way to introduce no time pilots flying that machine if someone with experience can smack it on that bad....again, if it was a bad landing, I have my doubts.

abflyguy · Post by **abflyguy** » Thu May 24, 2007 6:34 am

I can't see how it could have been a hard landing, they were going slow on D3 when it collapsed. I talked to a maintenance guy the other day and he says there is an AD out for the gear about some brackets and it may have been them letting go.
I was supposed to take that plane to YQT right after, if it had to happen anywhere certainly glad it happened in YYZ, weould have been a different story if it happenend up there.
Well glad everyone is OK.

bobcaygeon · Post by **bobcaygeon** » Sun May 27, 2007 10:20 pm

abflyguy wrote:I can't see how it could have been a hard landing, they were going slow on D3 when it collapsed. I talked to a maintenance guy the other day and he says there is an AD out for the gear about some brackets and it may have been them letting go.
I was supposed to take that plane to YQT right after, if it had to happen anywhere certainly glad it happened in YYZ, weould have been a different story if it happenend up there.
Well glad everyone is OK.

It was a hard landing and they rode the flap fairings and partially destroyed (impaled in wings) gear onto the taxiway and went no further.

Kingair Guy, would your new ride take a +600,000lbs landing???? This RJ gear to over 200,000lbs of force

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Sun May 27, 2007 11:14 pm

Excess of 4 G's at touchdown??

PeteThePilot · Post by **PeteThePilot** » Mon May 28, 2007 7:18 am

That's a normal day for me

ettw · Post by **ettw** » Mon May 28, 2007 9:06 am

If this was a hard landing and I'll tell you I dont know jack abou the RJ but I woulda thought that if it was that hard it would have pulled some rivits and they could have been leaking fuel.

I was a manager at a company that had a VERY hard landing on a biz jet and when they were taxiing off the runway they were leaving a trail of fuel, pulled a pile of wing skin seams apart.

Just some extra fuel to the speculation fire.

Cheers,

ETTW

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Mon May 28, 2007 9:17 am

Just a thought, if the landing was rough enough to cause landing gear to collapse, one would think there would be a few passengers complaining of some injuries?

I know we're not in the USA but still.

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Mon May 28, 2007 6:25 pm

The main landing gear on the 50-seat regional jet collapsed shortly after the plane landed on the Pearson runway. Passengers say the plane touched down once, bounced and landed again, making a loud, banging noise. Kemsley said she just thought a tire had blown.

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