Pilots, if it's not safe, don't take it! (Clearences)

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:17 pm

Heard of a story happened today of a "Large", relatively speaking, jet be issued an instruction to land and exit at taxiway such and such.

This taxiway is about halfway down a short runway, there was another jet, slightly smaller on approach tight behind. The pilot accepted the instruction, and railed on the brakes but still overshot the taxiway by 1500' had to back-track and then complained that "That was too close" in reference to the other jet.

Furthermore, there was possibly damage done during heavy braking because there was steering issues later on departure which had to be serviced.

Long story short, if an ATC instruction is not safe, or is out of your comfort zone, don't take it! There's almost always other options.

XJET · Post by **XJET** » Thu May 24, 2007 2:24 pm

Must have been a jazz aircraft and a seneca student....

Most of us still have some common sense in us.

Thanks for posting, but I thought instructors who aren't to busy building hours were supposed to teach this sort of thing to students?

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:01 pm

XJET wrote:Must have been a jazz aircraft and a seneca student....

Most of us still have some common sense in us.

Thanks for posting, but I thought instructors who aren't to busy building hours were supposed to teach this sort of thing to students?

I was taught that during my training quite a few times... but I can understand ATC pressure on a pilots decisions.

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:10 pm

XJET wrote:

Must have been a jazz aircraft and a seneca student....

What a jackass thing to say...I'd like to know what amazing flight school you went to and what perfect airline you fly for...

XJET · Post by **XJET** » Thu May 24, 2007 6:18 pm

invertedattitude wrote: I was taught that during my training quite a few times... but I can understand ATC pressure on a pilots decisions.

Actually, you're right, we've been taught to say "no." No to bad clearances, wx, unsafe aircraft....

This should just be stickied and put in the general forum, because we have guys out there who will say yes to anything, icing, tornadoes, overloading, multi missing an engine, atc directives.

And since it was "larger" jet, shouldn't it be 2 crew, where was the crew resource management, why didn't the f/o(or the capt) tell the guy landing and accepting the clearance to "re-think" the idea. I'm pretty sure both butts are going to be spanked, and if it turned out worse, both butts would be out on the street.

Offset · Post by **Offset** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:15 pm

While we're on the subject, if you're either unable or unwilling to accept an instruction given with a takeoff clearance that information is more useful to the controller PRIOR to the aircraft taxing out onto the runway.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sat May 26, 2007 6:46 pm

What the hell, we're missing more again?

Jerricho · Post by **Jerricho** » Sat May 26, 2007 9:07 pm

Just remember, Doc said I was right

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Sun May 27, 2007 6:44 pm

Damn, I had good responses to Doc too!

Jerricho, I thought Doc had said you were a supreme God of ATC knowledge and that he "bowed to your wisdom"...thats what I recall anyway! HA

Jerricho · Post by **Jerricho** » Mon May 28, 2007 4:44 am

Thanks Tesox.

My memory ain't what it used to be.

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Mon May 28, 2007 3:09 pm

I'm A.D.D. so I may have stretched it...

Jerricho · Post by **Jerricho** » Mon May 28, 2007 3:55 pm

What were we talking about.......LOOK! Crayons!!!!!!!!

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon May 28, 2007 5:25 pm

Okay, I think the "jist" of what I posted was.....I've seen controllers give "instructions" to pilots that some will blindly follow. To some pilots, the controller's words are THE LAW. I did refer to the pilots who baked their brakes trying to do something they couldn't as "morons"...I may have insulted some controllers...who we all know are really BAD...except Jerricho, who, of course is the best controller in de whole world!!!
Cheers Mate!

squibbler · Post by **squibbler** » Mon May 28, 2007 8:52 pm

except Jerricho, who, of course is the best controller in de whole world!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa.........aaaar ha ha ha ha

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:55 am

I like honey, but I dont like bee's...

Jerricho · Post by **Jerricho** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:54 am

Can't talk......crayons.........

wordstwice · Post by **wordstwice** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:06 am

Jerricho · Post by **Jerricho** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:19 pm

Gonna have to borrow someone's red crayon......I ate mine.

CD · Post by CD » Wed May 30, 2007 5:36 pm

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Thu May 31, 2007 12:13 pm

A rare snapshot of Winnipegs Radar Control team...active duty

Pratt X 3 · Post by **Pratt X 3** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:38 pm

When the f*ck did we get icecream? Did you get icecream? Was i sleeping? Can i get that icecream now?

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:14 am

CPL_ATC Wrote:
Nobody issued me a hat! WTF!!?

I think Jerricho ate it!

CD · Post by CD » Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:25 am

That would explain a lot...

Jerricho · Post by **Jerricho** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:56 am

I'm the one dressed in yellow!

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:35 pm