Your 12 year old will need TWO pieces of ID

RatherBeFlying · Post by **RatherBeFlying** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:26 pm

TC mandarins hath decreed from on high that children 12 and up beginning September will have to present a fed/prov govt issued PHOTO ID or TWO fed/prov govt issued ID before boarding a commercial flight.

So round up these Health Cards to go with the Birth Certificates and/or get the kid a SIN.

Obviously this is a sophisticated attempt to kill the terrorists by laughter as they roll around hysterically in their caves.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:55 pm

I weep for society.

I weep for the children.

I weep.

We are all doomed.

And I'm fucking serious.

-istp

PopnChipper · Post by **PopnChipper** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:07 pm

WTF!! when I was 12, I didn't have a single piece of photo id, this if getting pretty goddamn retarded. So, before so native kid gets on perimeter to go to Winnipeg, they have to show two pieces of ID, right, I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert.

Widow · Post by **Widow** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:10 pm

My 13 year old will be thrilled that there is something he can use his citizenship card for. It's got the cutest baby picture you've ever seen!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:42 pm

What department of TC would issue such a retarded requirement?

Longtimer · Post by **Longtimer** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:49 pm

Cat Driver wrote:What department of TC would issue such a retarded requirement?

No. H 112/07
For release June 7, 2007

TAKING ACTION FOR FAMILIES:
PASSENGER PROTECT EXEMPTION
ANNOUNCED FOR TRAVELLERS UNDER 18
OTTAWA - The Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, today announced that, through a temporary exemption to the Passenger Protect program, travellers in Canada who appear to be between 12 and 17 years of age will require only one piece of government-issued identification (ID), with or without photo, before boarding an aircraft.

Implementation of the Passenger Protect program for flights within Canada, and for international flights to and from Canada, will begin on Monday, June 18, 2007. The exemption for travellers under 18 in Canada will be in place until September 18, 2007 inclusively, after which the new regulations will be in full effect.

"We want to ensure that Canadian families are kept safe, but are not unreasonably inconvenienced as we enter the busy summer travel season," said Minister Cannon. "Requiring travellers under eighteen years of age to fly with one piece of identification allows families to maintain their travel plans, yet become aware of the full requirements of the Passenger Protect program that begins on June 18."

On September 18, the exemption will be lifted and new Identity Screening Regulations will require all air passengers within Canada who appear to be 12 years of age or older to present one piece of government-issued photo ID that shows name, date of birth and gender or two pieces of government-issued ID without photo - one of which shows name, date of birth and gender - before boarding an aircraft. The name on the boarding pass provided by the air carrier must match the name on the ID.

Even with this exemption, travellers under 18 who currently hold ID meeting the Passenger Protect requirements are strongly urged to use it when travelling by air.

This made-in-Canada program was developed to provide an additional layer of security for the aviation system and to enhance public safety in a way that complies with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and federal privacy legislation.

For more information on the Passenger Protect program, including a list of valid ID, please visit http://www.passengerprotect.gc.ca.

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Contacts:

Natalie Sarafian
Press Secretary
Office of the Minister of Transport,
Infrastructure and Communities, Ottawa
613-991-0700
Julia Ukrintz
Communications
Transport Canada, Ottawa
613-993-0055

Transport Canada is online at http://www.tc.gc.ca. Subscribe to news releases and speeches at apps.tc.gc.ca/listserv/ and keep up-to-date on the latest from Transport Canada.

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BACKGROUNDER
PASSENGER PROTECT PROGRAM
The Government of Canada began consulting with industry on passenger assessment in May 2004, and expanded consultations on a program proposal for Passenger Protect in the summer of 2005. Consultations with air carriers, airports, labour representatives, civil liberties and ethno-cultural groups as well as the Office of the Privacy Commissioner were essential to the successful design and implementation of a program that enhances security, respects the needs and realities of the aviation industry, and ensures that the privacy and human rights of Canadians are protected.

The Passenger Protect program adds another layer of security to Canada's aviation system to help address potential threats. Terrorist groups continue to target civil aviation, and seek means to defeat existing safeguards and measures.

Under the program, the Government of Canada is maintaining a list to be provided to airlines in secure form, with the name, date of birth and gender of each specified person. The airlines will compare the names of individuals intending to board flights with the names on the specified persons list, and will verify with the individual's government-issued identification when there is a name match. Identification will be verified in person at the airport check-in counter. When the airline verifies that an individual matches in name, date of birth and gender with someone on the list, the airline will be required to inform Transport Canada.

A Transport Canada officer will be on duty 24 hours a day, every day, to receive calls from airlines when they have a potential match with a specified person on the list. Transport Canada will verify information with the airline, confirm whether the individual poses an immediate threat to aviation security and inform the airline, if required, that the individual is not permitted to board the flight. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) would be notified immediately in the event of a match, and police of jurisdiction at the airport would be informed and take action as required.

The Passenger Protect program will be implemented for Canadian domestic flights and international flights to and from Canada on June 18, 2007.

Creating the Specified Persons List
The Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities has the authority under the Aeronautics Act to specify an individual who is a threat to aviation security and to require airlines to provide information about the specified person.

A Transport Canada-led Advisory Group will assess individuals on a case-by-case basis using information provided by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and the RCMP, and will make recommendations to the Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities concerning their designation as specified persons or the removal of that designation.

The Advisory Group includes a senior officer from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and a senior officer from the RCMP (as advised by the Department of Justice), with input from representatives of other Canadian government departments and agencies.

Individuals are added to the specified persons list based on their actions, which lead to a determination that they may pose an immediate threat to aviation security should they attempt to board an aircraft. Guidelines in making that determination are focused on aviation security, and may include:

an individual who is or has been involved in a terrorist group, and who, it can reasonably be suspected, will endanger the security of any aircraft or aerodrome or the safety of the public, passengers or crew members;
an individual who has been convicted of one or more serious and life-threatening crimes against aviation security; and
an individual who has been convicted of one or more serious and life-threatening offences and who may attack or harm an air carrier, passengers or crew members.
Identity Screening Regulations
As of June 18, 2007, new Identity Screening Regulations will require airlines to screen each person's name against the specified persons list before issuing a boarding pass, for any person who appears to be 12 years of age or older. The regulations take into account the various ways in which the boarding pass may be obtained: at a kiosk, through the Internet, or at an airport check-in counter.

Where there is check-in via Internet or kiosks, airlines will not allow printing of the boarding pass when there is a name match with the specified persons list. Passengers refused a boarding pass at a kiosk or through the Internet will be directed to the airline agent for in-person verification of government-issued identification (ID). ID verification will determine whether the name, date of birth and gender match those of a listed person.

The regulations also require air carriers to screen individuals at the boarding gate by comparing the name on government-issued ID with the name on the boarding pass. If the name on the ID is not the same as the name on the boarding pass, the air carrier will be required to check the name on the ID against the list.

Transport Canada will work with air carriers to provide training for agents and staff who will be involved in implementing the ID verification requirement, and establish procedures that respect the rights of passengers.

The ID requirement under the Passenger Protect program is for one piece of valid government-issued photo ID that shows name, date of birth and gender, such as a driver's licence or a passport, or two pieces of valid government-issued ID, at least one of which shows name, date of birth and gender, such as a birth certificate.

Until September 18, 2007, inclusively, an exemption requiring only one piece of government-issued ID without photo will be granted to Canadian air passengers who appear to be between 12 and 17 years of age. The verification of passengers' ID is already a practice followed by most major air carriers in Canada.

The regulations were published in the Canada Gazette, Part II on May 16, 2007.

Reconsideration and Appeals
The Passenger Protect program also includes a reconsideration process for individuals who wish to contest the denial of boarding. An individual who has been denied boarding under the Passenger Protect program will be able to apply to Transport Canada's Office of Reconsideration (OOR), which may arrange for an independent assessment of the case and make a recommendation. The goal is to provide a non-judicial, efficient mechanism for any member of the public to have their case reviewed by persons independent of those who made the original recommendation to the Minister. Individuals have the further option of making application to Federal Court for judicial review.

Privacy and Human Rights
The protection of privacy and human rights is a core element of the Passenger Protect program. In developing the program, Transport Canada worked with stakeholders and consulted with civil liberties and ethno-cultural groups, and the Office of the Privacy Commissioner on privacy aspects.

A summary of the Privacy Impact Assessment conducted on the Passenger Protect program is available on the Transport Canada website at http://www.tc.gc.ca/vigilance/sep/passe ... y/menu.htm.

In addition, the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada posed a series of questions to Transport Canada about the Passenger Protect program in August 2005. The questions and the answers shed light on the privacy protection features of the program and are available on the Web at http://www.tc.gc.ca/vigilance/sep/passe ... A/menu.htm.

More details on the Passenger Protect program and the new Identity Screening Regulations are available on Transport Canada's website at http://www.passengerprotect.gc.ca.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:10 pm

TAKING ACTION FOR FAMILIES:
PASSENGER PROTECT EXEMPTION
ANNOUNCED FOR TRAVELLERS UNDER 18
OTTAWA - The Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, today announced that, through a temporary exemption to the Passenger Protect program, travellers in Canada who appear to be between 12 and 17 years of age will require only one piece of government-issued identification (ID), with or without photo, before boarding an aircraft.

thanks widow, I feel releived to see that Lawrence Cannon is in control of our safety, Christ when I first read this announcement I thought it was just some moron in TC beavering away in a cubicle who came up with this idea.

But now I am content knowing Lawrence is aware of these new rules.

Sorry for jumping to conclusions without knowing all the facts.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:00 pm

What unbelievable claptrap. If TC had one brain between the whole lot of them in that tower, they'd be dangerous. I can see them all sitting about thinking up this crap, trying to make it appear to the gullible that they are actually doing something useful.

So Cat is denied boarding and has to go through an appeal process or another f*cking tribunal? How long would that take and you can bet your ass you'd lose your fare? Can you image how many of us are going to be wrongly targeted?

There are morons on the loose. Who's really dangerous here?

And how is Marg the Customer Service Agent going to have to deal with the guy who is told he can't fly? Will they issue her side arms?

Why can't they twig when Osama Bin Liner books his ticket? Maybe the scary guys at CSIS could do something about it then before he gets to the airport?

If there are people on a no-fly list, shouldn't they just be rounded up and locked up? If they aren't to be locked up, isn't denying boarding a denial of their rights?

If they ARE f*cking terrorists and they are clever enough to travel under their own names and they get denied boarding, are they really smart enough to be a threat anyway?

God help us all.

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:41 am

Note that it applies for anyone who "appears" to be over 12 years of age. Which means you better have ID for your 9, 10, or 11 year old in case Security is having a bad day and decides to make an example of you.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:08 am

If there are people on a no-fly list, shouldn't they just be rounded up and locked up? If they aren't to be locked up, isn't denying boarding a denial of their rights?

Please don't ask such a simple quesion you will confuse these cretins in TC.

Another quesion someone migh ask Cannon, if someone is considered such a securiy risk that they are on a no boarding list for airplanes are they also on a no boarding list for cruise ships and trains where ten times as many people may be carried?

xsbank, I wouldn't be in the least suprised if I was put on a no board list by TC they had no problem denying me the right to work flying in Canada so denying me the right to fly as a passenger would seem to be the next step.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:54 am

My point was, they could just deny anyone the right to board and you've essentially missed/ruined/lost your vacation/your job/your airfare/your family funeral/you name it all because some moron either gets it wrong/thinks you're someone else/doesn't like you.

How much confidence should we put in the cretins that brought you the folks that won't let you take toothpaste or shampoo on a plane, who confiscate your Swiss Army knife yet give you a steel knife to eat your lunch with? Who makes the airplane's pilot empty his flight bag and won't let him take a screwdriver on board?

Madness. Osama, bless his bony little heart, must be laughing his ass off in his cave, somewhere.

rfcPilot · Post by **rfcPilot** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:27 pm

Dont worry, just take them in your GA aircraft and fly them yourself. They wont need ID and they can bring all the explosives they want to blow up whatever you want.

Oh how I love how ridiculously retarded GA security is at airports....

Ref Plus 10 · Post by **Ref Plus 10** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:17 am

As I understand it, you will require either one piece of government ID, OR two pieces of non-government...I could be wrong, though. Doesn't make sense to have one OR two both government issued...

bater · Post by **bater** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:21 am

It's amazing how things have changed.. I remember when I was a kid, maybe 10yrs old going on vacation to the Dominican. My Dad packed the whole families ID's in the checked baggage, and the only thing we could find on us was my library card which got us all through security, along with some pleading!

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:29 am

My opinion... this issue goes beyond the realm of TC, more likely from the very top - translated the minister in conjunction with that other pandering troll of a minister... SD

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:41 am

It's all about government being "seen" to be doing something.

The fact that the something is useless and pathetically stupid makes no difference because the general public is working so hard to make enough take home pay after taxes they don't have time to examine just how badly they are being goverened.

And where would all that money come from to allow mandrins like this one...

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http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/new ... 0f&k=92515

..... to live a life of luxury free from accountability if the population didn't work two or three jobs per family just to pay more taxes?

Flybaby · Post by **Flybaby** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:42 am

Before all this shit I would travel with my multi tool on my belt, now tooth paste is way too dangerous, well unless it danger is contain by a magical plastic bag.