Medivac vs. Deer

privateer · Post by **privateer** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:26 pm

Just "heard" Alberta Central had an accident involving hitting deer on take off or landing in Lac la Biche? Anybody heard this?

Captain X · Post by **Captain X** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:45 pm

It was in St Paul.... Everyone is ok, a/c is banged up.... 2 deer bit the dust.

bigsky · Post by **bigsky** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:46 pm

privateer wrote:Just "heard" Alberta Central had an accident involving hitting deer on take off or landing in Lac la Biche? Anybody heard this?

Aircraft InformationFlight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: BEECH Model: B200
Year Built: 1990 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: PRATT & WHITNEY-CAN Engine Model: PT6A-42
Engine Type: Turbo prop Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Landing Damage: Minor
Owner: ALBERTA CENTRAL AIRWAYS LTD Operator: ALBERTA CENTRAL AIRWAYS LTD. (338)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2007/06/11
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aerodrome Safety
Narrative: A Beech King Air 200 operated by Alberta Central Airways struck 2 deer on landing at St. Paul, AB. A herd of 4 - 5 deer ran onto the runway as the aircraft was decelerating and each engine struck one deer. There is damage to the propellers, spinners and cowlings.

Elessar_44 · Post by **Elessar_44** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:48 pm

Who wants venison?

tesox · Post by **tesox** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:11 pm

Ground venison!

privateer · Post by **privateer** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:28 pm

Yesterday we had to scare off some deer around and on the rwy. Has any of these airport operators heard of Fences?

brownsideup · Post by **brownsideup** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:50 pm

WHew! Glad to hear everyone is OK. Reminds of the horses we have to contend with at Fox Lake.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:15 pm

Bummer for Big W, hope insurance covers it. Kind of ironic after all the near misses at YLB the town FINALLY puts a fence up around the runway and then they hit deer in St Paul. WTF?

Ow well, as long as nobody got hurt.

Zapp Brannigan · Post by **Zapp Brannigan** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:19 pm

Is a fence really effective? I'm just asking because I really don't know. Has there been evidence that fences work to deter the animals?

Seems to me that deer and moose would always find ways to get around seeing how airport are large uninhabited areas.

Remember those pictures of the deer hit by the king air posted here a few years ago? Nice to hear everyone is OK.

Youngback · Post by **Youngback** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:20 pm

In Northern Alberta, the Buffalo just push all the fences down and walk wherever they want.

thatdaveguy · Post by **thatdaveguy** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:37 pm

privateer wrote:Yesterday we had to scare off some deer around and on the rwy. Has any of these airport operators heard of Fences?

Do you have any idea how expensive an airport fence is?

In this Albertan economy...estimate in the range of $1 million.

There are grant programs from the provincial governments, but they are small and stingy at best. I know an airport which had deer on the runway almost everyday for 3 months and no fence was put in. It's a much bigger airport than YLB or St Paul as well...

The fence needs to be very high to be even mostly effective...around 10 feet. Even then, deer and moose can still get in. It's a deterrent but far from a solution.

privateer · Post by **privateer** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:41 am

I would like to see a deer get over a 10 ft high fence. A million Bucks for a fence???? We should get Conny's like paris hilton to build them. Plus you can't put a price tag on peoples lives, and not to mention the 1/4 to 1/2 million per PT6 engine plus whatever a half destroyed airplane cost.

niss · Post by **niss** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:13 am

Zapp Brannigan wrote: Remember those pictures of the deer hit by the king air posted here a few years ago? Nice to hear everyone is OK.

Zapp Brannigan · Post by **Zapp Brannigan** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:01 am

Ah yes, there's the pics.

Elessar_44 · Post by **Elessar_44** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:43 am

damn, that deer got f'd up!

Big Pratt · Post by **Big Pratt** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:53 am

Zebras can be a bitch too!

rfcPilot · Post by **rfcPilot** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:41 am

would you really trust a fence built by Paris Hilton? Or any over con/celeb?

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:20 am

New fence 1 mil. Judicious cautious use of a 30-06 when possible- 1 thou.
Some decisions are so easy.

round pounder · Post by **round pounder** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:32 pm

Fences are very good, the only problem is when the gates are left open, at that point you have a zoo! Grass is always greener on the Airport side. Damm shame hope all is well ACA is a top notch bunch of guys and girls.

McPhoo · Post by **McPhoo** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:42 pm

Yes the fences can work. The fence at YLB is a higher game fence type. Since the fence went up, I have only heard (there might have been more) of one occasion where deer got in and that was because the Texas gate wasn't installed yet. Also, as I recall the fence at YLB cost the local rate payers something in the neibourhood of 200K. For the single cost of ACA's unfortunate encounter 3 or 4 small town airports could have been fenced.

Having said that, it would be naive to think that every little town would or could spend the cash on a facility that is all to often perceived to have little economic benifit to the community. Politics play a role here.

Aircraft have, do and will continue to hit wild life. It is simply a job hazard that will be around for some time to come. My hats off the men and women who opperate out of these places every day and do it with professionalism. To bad the pay didn't always reflect the hazard level.

thatdaveguy · Post by **thatdaveguy** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:13 pm

Remember this as well...

No fence...you hit a deer and it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages.

The municipalities cost? Whatever it cost to drag your crap off the runway...

I'm playing the devil's advocate here BTW, I strongly support fencing whenever possible. But it is a tough sell on a small municipality.

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