Jazz Salary

[raven54]

Get a life man. So if Jazz payed $100 a month, and US carriers payed nothing at all, then canucks would have nothing to complain about? Pretty much the same line of thinking there.

[KAG]

Who do jazz pilot complain so much about how much they are paid?
look at ALL of the US regionals and the pay at Jazz is the same or higher, so i dont get it? Its a regional airline, what do you expect?

They have 1000 hour FO's, and 2500 hour CPTS, get where I'm going with this?

[captain thicknjuicy]

What does the average jazz 1st year f/o take home anyway?
I know, I could do a bit of research and find the answer, but I'm too lazy and don't really give a shit anyway... Just curious.

[Glen Quagmire]

Apples and Oranges comparing the American regionals with Jazz considering upgrade times at most U.S regionals is 6-12 months, not 6-12 years. A lot of them don't even have FO payscales above the 2 year mark. If you could go captain at Jazz in 6 months and make 60-80K in the first few years I guarantee Westjet would be looking elsewhere for new hires. But unlike the U.S. we are short airplanes for the amount of pilots we produce, thus Jazz becomes a career for many.

[KAG]

They have 1000 hour FO's, and 2500 hour CPTS, get where I'm going with this?

true but jazz is still a regional, its just the way the industry is here, jazz pilots should be paid more because of the experience they bring, but a pilot in the US who might have had 2500hrs on a king air before expressjet wont get paid any more than a 500hr pilot.

Most of the King Air pilots I ran into in the southern states were close to retirment age, having spent most of their careers in the majors/military.
Again, apples and oranges. Also in the not too distant past, the AC regionals were retirment jobs, where drivers had a great lifestyle. Making 115K flying a Dash living out east would be a pretty sweet gig.

Anyway, keep thinking that way. Were on a slippery slope, and with thinking like that, it's only getting worse.

The next down turn is on the horizion.

[Traf]

Most US regionals can be used as a stepping stone into the associated mainline. Here at Jazz, your chances are blown all to hell simply because you work for the seperate, er not seperate, wait, no, we are seperate, errr not this week, ahhh but you forgot, it's an even day , darn, forgot the full moon etc.. etc.. etc...

Like Someone said up top, just because it is done in the US doesn't mean we have to roll over and accept here. Everyone know MC and JR are trying to model us after a US carrier. WHat do you think the hiring of college grads is about?

[twinpratts]

Strange that people feel that Mainline pilots are not justified in thinking that they should be paid as much as US counterparts... but at the same time think that if The Americans pay their Regional less, we have nothing to complain about

[Dave Grohl]

look at the payscale for delta airlines and comair, vs. jazz and A/C
Its probably not financially possible to pay jazz pilots the same as mainline, and stay a float

I currently work for Comair and went on strike for 3 months in 2001...we made a lot of gains in terms of work rules, pay, and retirement only to have most of it wrenched away from us in bankruptcy court this year.

At least the Continental Express guys were able to use our contract as a starting point in jacking up their agreement when talks re-opened several years ago.

This is a tough industry, and always a battle for pilots on every property...

[Traf]

Strange that people feel that Mainline pilots are not justified in thinking that they should be paid as much as US counterparts... but at the same time think that if The Americans pay their Regional less, we have nothing to complain about

Not me. I am know that if mainline takes a cut, we will too. Pay us all more money instead of giving it to the CEO.

[Dark Helmet]

Ya know there is a thread on the general aviation forum bashing Jazz about how the rates are low compared that to European Carriers. Now people are saying that Jazz pilots should not complain because we make more than our US counterpart.

You can't compare salaries between foreign carriers, just apples to orenges to bananas, etc.

Food for thought, An Airline Captain for a widebody in South America makes as much as a King Air Driver in Canada.


Bottom line, Jazz pilots are underpaid, period.

[just curious]

Now people are saying that Jazz pilots should not complain because we make more than our US counterpart.

No, not people in general, one 250 hour pilot (working as a jazz rampie, who, co-incidentally did his training in the USA) in particular.

I am fairly sure the rest of us realize the salary for most Jazz new hires is pathetic. Most of my collegues who went to Jazz in the post -Air Ontario/ Air BC/ Air Nova days are making less than their predecessors in the early 90's. The airplanes aren't any bigger. In fact with the 146's gone they are smaller. Flow-thru is a thing of the past. End salaries are nothing to post on facebook either.

All Jazz is coming to mean for our profession is that more Westjet newhires will all have RAIC cards, flightbags, and those little airline rollie bags before the first day of groundschool.

The veeerry few old ex 9A / GX types still around are here for lifestyle, not cash.

[sam cole]

If your tired of that scene the other Jaz will be hiring 747-400 F/Os within the next 12 months. Money's considerably better.

[just curious]

Hey, that the Sam Cole that did those great Austin Airways paintings?

[sam cole]

That painting's got more air time than me! Yeah, that would be me. Are you in Red Lake. I know there is one hanging in then Lakeview.
That was a great old airplane. It's bones rest at Sachigo, but maybe you know that.

[WetJet]

Yeah but who would want to live in Hawaii and make 3 times what I do at Jazz? Are you saying that flying a 744 out of Hawaii for Jalways is a better gig than... Actually, ummm what's HRs email address!?!

[motherfokker]

ya tough call 30k a year or quality beach time.

[sam cole]

Go to the "IASCO.COM website and submit an app. They building a data base. requirments not too tough..2500 TT and I think 300 time on a jet. PIC is helpful but not required. Right to live in the States not an issue.
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