2nd call back
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2nd call back
I'm curious.. has anyone (other than me!) been PFO'd after a "call back interview" I was called back (8 months after I first interviewed) to re do my COG test and 2 of my psych tests. I know that I did poorly on my COG test, and that is the primary reason why I will never be an Air Canada pilot.
Part of the issues I had were computer related (i.e. a slow or non responsive light pen, or arrow keys that didn't respond). I spoke to the test givers and they watched me do it, and confirmed that there were a few "bugs" but just to do my best. I don't remember specifically, but I also had some troubles with the "see saw" exercise.. I was told by the evaluators to treat it more like a computer game "Don't you play computer games?" I guess I should have been spending more time over the years playing computer games.
Who knows why I was PFO'd... even though I was told I didn't need to re do my interview, maybe they weren't happy enough with it and had better candidates. I'll never know.
Good luck to all the others.
Who knows why I was PFO'd... even though I was told I didn't need to re do my interview, maybe they weren't happy enough with it and had better candidates. I'll never know.
Good luck to all the others.
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Jeremy Kent
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Actually, I happen to know "somebody's son" who failed the cog test and PFO'd. Sorry Squid. I think the facts are more important than emotional issues. But good to see you're still a consistant asshole.Squid wrote:stick a sock in it Jeremy. If you are saying your did didn't do one thing to help your chances you are a LIAR.
Inverted.
Yes it helps but not a requirement. Duh?
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you guys! nice to see everyone is playing well!
Squid buddy nepotism is found in all lines of work. get over it buddy. Jeremy's old man was on my dads course back in '73. im gonna venture to say his old man has had a fine career - knowing jeremy i know he's more than competent. take your petty shit elsewhere.Squid wrote:stick a sock in it Jeremy. If you are saying your did didn't do one thing to help your chances you are a LIAR.
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tyler
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:31 am Post subject:
Well I dont know of any AC kids who havent been hired on at AC unless they were really low time.
Well I now a few...I am not sure what you mean by low time??
they had a least 6500 +, multi pic JET/Turbine...bla bla bla...most of their time PIC.
University degrees...
for your info.. by the way I don't know anyone at AC..just to clarify.[/quote]
Well I dont know of any AC kids who havent been hired on at AC unless they were really low time.
Well I now a few...I am not sure what you mean by low time??
they had a least 6500 +, multi pic JET/Turbine...bla bla bla...most of their time PIC.
University degrees...
for your info.. by the way I don't know anyone at AC..just to clarify.[/quote]
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Hey tbone, don't count yourself out.
Most everyone thinks they totally blow the cog tests (except me of course...
). If they called you back to do some tests, it means they're looking at hiring you, but need to see some "different" results on the tests (as explained to me by C.V.). I went in to re-write the 2 short tests a few weeks ago. Now I have a medical coming up and I'm penned in for the July 30th course (woo-hoo!).
Have you already gone back in for the re-testing? If not, PM me for some helpful documentation for a few of the tests.
Most everyone thinks they totally blow the cog tests (except me of course...
). If they called you back to do some tests, it means they're looking at hiring you, but need to see some "different" results on the tests (as explained to me by C.V.). I went in to re-write the 2 short tests a few weeks ago. Now I have a medical coming up and I'm penned in for the July 30th course (woo-hoo!).Have you already gone back in for the re-testing? If not, PM me for some helpful documentation for a few of the tests.
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A few words of encouragement. The interview/test to hire ratio is about 5 to 1. If you get PFO'd, try not to take it personally. (Easy for me to say, I already work there.)
First of all, it does not mean that you are not a good candidate for an airline career or that you aren't a good pilot. Like the other 80%, it means that in Air Canada's opinion, 20% were better and that is all the pilots that they need right now. Keep re-applying and applying at other airlines.
Secondly, realize that no evaluation process is perfect, and I suspect that our current one is far from it. We used to use an interview, previous work references, and a sim test in evaluating candidates. The sim test was not only to check basic flying ability but more importantly, CRM ability. Very advantageous, was that unlike the interview process, it was pretty hard to bluff either component of the sim. eval. Now, if you practice and script the canned interview well enough, and have an aptitude and experience with video games as a kid, you' re probably in. Other airlines pay more attention to other priorities (such as experience in challenging environments, accolades from previous employers, love of aviation, etc.) and you will probably find your careers prospering if you apply to them.
astly, it used to be that AC was THE place to work-getting hired was like winning the lottery. Conversely, not getting hired was like getting sentenced to a lifetime of bush or connector flying. CCAA changed all that. The "lesser" carriers have improved greatly and the salary/ lifestyle/job security at AC are - um - shall we say , rapidly approaching terminal velocity in the race to the bottom. 2009 will be a very interesting and deciding year in the future of the company and the careers of those employed by it. (Hint. I am working at becoming mortgage free by then and have started filling in my logbook again.) When you consider the faster career progression, lifestyle and lifetime earnings at WJ ot Transat may not look all that different from AC. (Yes I know that a 777 Capt. earns ?$$$$$$ but many are retiring without a hope of seeing the left seat of a widebody. Factor in potentially a decade or more as an EMB F/O or CRP in the position pay group, and the left seat of a B737 in 4 years looks pretty good.) The simple point is that AC ain't the only game in town - certainly not in the world. (India, China, Africa, and the middle east are rapidly growing their airline fleets with too few pilots to crew them.)
At the end of the day, the important thing is that we are all doing a job we love and have dreamed about doing from an early age. So few can claim that. Enjoy it, do it well, and the money will follow.
Good luck.
First of all, it does not mean that you are not a good candidate for an airline career or that you aren't a good pilot. Like the other 80%, it means that in Air Canada's opinion, 20% were better and that is all the pilots that they need right now. Keep re-applying and applying at other airlines.
Secondly, realize that no evaluation process is perfect, and I suspect that our current one is far from it. We used to use an interview, previous work references, and a sim test in evaluating candidates. The sim test was not only to check basic flying ability but more importantly, CRM ability. Very advantageous, was that unlike the interview process, it was pretty hard to bluff either component of the sim. eval. Now, if you practice and script the canned interview well enough, and have an aptitude and experience with video games as a kid, you' re probably in. Other airlines pay more attention to other priorities (such as experience in challenging environments, accolades from previous employers, love of aviation, etc.) and you will probably find your careers prospering if you apply to them.
astly, it used to be that AC was THE place to work-getting hired was like winning the lottery. Conversely, not getting hired was like getting sentenced to a lifetime of bush or connector flying. CCAA changed all that. The "lesser" carriers have improved greatly and the salary/ lifestyle/job security at AC are - um - shall we say , rapidly approaching terminal velocity in the race to the bottom. 2009 will be a very interesting and deciding year in the future of the company and the careers of those employed by it. (Hint. I am working at becoming mortgage free by then and have started filling in my logbook again.) When you consider the faster career progression, lifestyle and lifetime earnings at WJ ot Transat may not look all that different from AC. (Yes I know that a 777 Capt. earns ?$$$$$$ but many are retiring without a hope of seeing the left seat of a widebody. Factor in potentially a decade or more as an EMB F/O or CRP in the position pay group, and the left seat of a B737 in 4 years looks pretty good.) The simple point is that AC ain't the only game in town - certainly not in the world. (India, China, Africa, and the middle east are rapidly growing their airline fleets with too few pilots to crew them.)
At the end of the day, the important thing is that we are all doing a job we love and have dreamed about doing from an early age. So few can claim that. Enjoy it, do it well, and the money will follow.
Good luck.
Wild, I had the same issues.tbone wrote:Part of the issues I had were computer related (i.e. a slow or non responsive light pen, or arrow keys that didn't respond). I spoke to the test givers and they watched me do it, and confirmed that there were a few "bugs" but just to do my best.
I felt interview went well and the questions were good but when it came time to try the light pen test.. well I knew I bombed it. It never worked for me much. Sometimes when responding to a correct answer it never read the response but it usually accepted the negative. The see saw worked for me but when it came time to multi task thats when the pen died again. lol.
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