Why Don't We Just Legalize?

Golden Flyer · Post by **Golden Flyer** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:51 am

I've heard this before and finally got the information to back this up. Why the hell don't we just legalize?

*** I guess this is a queue for the West Coast (esp. Albertans) to get at me.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... 58&k=75899

goates · Post by **goates** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:56 am

Might as well legalize it. It's not like arresting more people is going to stop it.

If you can't beat 'em, might as well join 'em...

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:40 pm

Legalizing it would go along way in opening up the industrial hemp industry. There may even be a day when aircraft are made from hemp based fiber composites. There is enormous potential for the hemp industry including bio-fuels, plastics, paper, clothing, rope, and replacements for petrochemical products. This is a rapid renewable resource that should be exploited by Canada NOW!!! Canada should be the leader in the manufacture and technology of hemp based products!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:18 pm

Everyone who has smoked marijuana has had their lives destroyed by it. That is why it must remain illegal.

-istp

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:39 pm

LOL!! Just went to the link, and the first thing that showed up was a header saying "Want to start your own Business?" Ironic, considering the topic

Golden Flyer · Post by **Golden Flyer** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:53 pm

North Shore wrote:LOL!! Just went to the link, and the first thing that showed up was a header saying "Want to start your own Business?" Ironic, considering the topic

You probably won't have to worry about the failure rates of new businesses, because it probably doesn't apply to you. There you go NS. You have my blessing!

dji · Post by **dji** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:32 pm

don't forget to bring a hemp towel

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:27 pm

As a paramedic I am apposed to legalizing it. We have enough tragic stories linked to alcohol and I have seen first hand the problems that follow any drugs whether you consider them hard or soft.

saucer_driver · Post by **saucer_driver** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:19 pm

[quote]As a paramedic I am apposed to legalizing it. We have enough tragic stories linked to alcohol and I have seen first hand the problems that follow any drugs whether you consider them hard or soft.

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As a person who has common sense, if weed is illegal then alcohol should be too. Also fatigue should be illegal, that kills more people on the road then anything else.....perhaps swimming should follow suit as many people drown every year...... :roll: Stupid people will always find a way to kill themselves, create drama filled wife beating abusive lives

northwings · Post by **northwings** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:32 pm

Personally i do believe it should be legalized, im having way too much trouble finding a new dealer right now.

Blakey · Post by **Blakey** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:15 pm

Hell, legalize it then tax it to death. Far more efficient than what they're trying now! If that doesn't work, they can have a government agency regulate it; that always kills an industry pretty quickly!

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:58 pm

Gents:

There is far more to the drug industry than the user out there. If you think that mary-jane goes from plant to smoke without anybody involved doing other illicit acts you're down right stupid.

You wouldn't have half of the drug dealers out there if the government looked between their legs and found a pair of balls. Why not enforce the laws that are out there?

2R · Post by 2R » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:27 pm

The biker guys that sell dope and little girls wear a bastardized malta cross ,the head of the RCMP wears the malteese cross therefore it must be a plot by the Vatican to get everyone stoned so they bend over for the men in black .Cadit Questo
Now where's my beer

Golden Flyer · Post by **Golden Flyer** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:56 pm

Look, marijuana is illegal to help stop the flow. It's legal in Holland & illegal in Canada. We smoke more than them! Not, once, not twice, nor three, but four times more!!! We're doing something wrong. I could've controlled myself when I was high off my ass, not when I'm pissy drunk!

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:56 pm

I'm sure the plethora of medical studies out there don't interest the casual tokers in here.

Alcohol and marijuana are different forms of drugs. Just as caffine is also a drug.
Comparing the side effects, and using that in support of your arguement will get you no where.

Nightshiftzombie · Post by **Nightshiftzombie** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:04 am

One plus to legalizing is that 1 farmer in Saskatchewan growing a section of it could run every two bit biker grow-op in the country out of business.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:32 am

What I don't understand is why nicotine (tobacco) and alcohol are legal.

Why is it ok to smoke yourself (and everybody else around you) into a serious case of lung cancer?

Why is it ok to be an alcoholic and destroy your own life and everyone else's around you?

Why? Because tobacco and booze are taxed by the gov't, that's why.

The gov't doesn't give a sh1t about health, safety, etc. It's all about the tax revenue.

Given the above, it's a wonder why the gov't doesn't legalize all drugs and tax the living crap out of them. Just a matter of time, I guess.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:28 am

1. Alcohol is used by the majority of people and has been firmly entrenched in our culture and customs for centuries. Inspite of the problems caused by it's abuse by some, it is simply impossible to get rid of it as proven by the US's attempt at prohibition. However, public education has resulted in some aspects of use, impaired driving for example, becomming socially unacceptable.

2. MJ is used by a minority of people, has been illegal for a long time, and does not have broad based social acceptance outside of the user community.

3. Tobacco was once used by a majority of people, but now only about the same percentage as MJ. It is legal, but restrictions on where it can be used are gradually increasing. Anti-tobacco education is working, it is mostly socially unacceptable outside the user community, and use of tobacco will likely almost entirely disappear in another decade or two.

4. The MJ trade is controlled by organized crime. Legalization will mostly take them out of the mix and allow for direct taxation. However, the HA's will not be put out of business if they loose the income MJ generates. They will just increase their pushing of other drugs, meth as an example, that are far more harmful.

5. MJ is a $9B dollar industry in BC. The government doesn't benefit from direct taxation, but it does everytime that money changes hands elswhere in the economy.

6. Legalizing MJ will severely politically piss of our largest trading partner to the south. While they don't have the right to tell us what we can do, they do have the right to secure the border in a politically visible attempt to keep MJ out. While our governments may see increased tax revenues through direct taxation of MJ, we stand to loose much more in lost trade.

7. Currently, MJ is essentially defacto legal in Canada. Little effort is placed on controlling it, the courts do not impose significant sanctions for any sort of MJ based crime, and governments enjoy secondary taxation benefits. But, keeping it illegal maintains the political optics the politicians to the south need inspite of them importing most of our annual crop, manages/steers organized crime into a less harmful drug trade, and does help limit the number of people who use the stuff.

8. Reduction in drug use will only be achieved through public education that results to using becoming increasingly socially unacceptable, backed up by treatment programs. Governments should not be legalizing MJ. They should maintain the status quo, but direct some of that secondary taxation revenue into education and treatment programs for all types of drug use.

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:56 pm

Let the dopers have their pot. Who really cares! THC is such a mild psychoactive drug anyway compared to alcohol (ethanol) , prescription and illegal drugs. Yes it does matter to compare THC to other drugs ; when my tax money is spent trying to stop something that cannot be stopped and brings a criminal element into this country just so some pothead can sit at home and warp his brain, it matters! Legalize it, tax it, and use the tax money to give free tuition to all Canadian students of college and university. Free education for Canadians, imagine that.

The American conservatives will probably go home and kick their dog around in frustration; but when American tourists are lining up at our border to smoke some dope and support our citizens free education things will change in the conservative mindset rather quickly. Furthermore the US is in such a bad state they could not stop trade with us if they wanted.

Canada needs to be a technology leader in clean alternative energy sources and petrochemical product alternatives. Better education and a push towards industries like industrial hemp production and manufacture are necessary for Canada's prosperity. Legalizing THC would be a big step towards these goals.

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:01 pm

change "would" to "could" in the last sentence

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:33 pm

I say legalize heroin. After all, we're in Afghanistan to protect the poppy crops aren't we?

You don't see the americans in Iraq protecting the oil fields while at the same time outlawing oil do ya?

-istp

saucer_driver · Post by **saucer_driver** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:51 pm

I am starting to wonder if that is the real reason for afganistan......If it isnt then we have to change our story for being there.....doesnt make sense to free a people, take away their lively hood and then wonder why they will go back to taliban rule...

As for comparing weed to other drugs, well look at it this way, how many people have died from weed overdose? probably very few, alcohol overdose? a hell of a lot....Hedley is right this isnt a case of the gov't protecting people.......more people get killed in biker gang dealings every year, which are likely directly MayJ related, then get killed b/c of smoking pot. It would make a ton more sense to allow weed and have alcohol prohibition....but you can't take away alcohol b/c of its wide use by the gov't to have control over its citizens.

Surly Joe · Post by **Surly Joe** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:27 am

Yes, we all need to have pot legalized so we can be even more of an apathetic nation than we already are....MJ for dumberer Candians....sorry my dube made me speell not so goode...

pika · Post by **pika** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:18 am

THC is such a mild psychoactive drug...

The THC content has been refined and made significantly higher in the "commercial crop" versus the typical hippe grow op.

Back in the day when I worked with a group of individuals who knew their drugs (man did they know their drugs...) they mentioned that BC bud is traded pound for pound with cocaine from the US.

Golden Flyer · Post by **Golden Flyer** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:33 am

Surly Joe wrote:Yes, we all need to have pot legalized so we can be even more of an apathetic nation than we already are....MJ for dumberer Candians....sorry my dube made me speell not so goode...

Yes, we'll all smoke weed and turn into idiots who cannot read nor write. That is pathetic. Note, I do not smoke and I'm telling you that your argument is ridiculous.