Yes.is it possible to instruct ONLY Multi-IFR without an instructor rating?
Instructing ONLY Multi-IFR
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Cat Driver
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Under CAR 425.21:
(9) A person who conducts flight training toward the issuance of an instrument rating shall be the holder of a Commercial Pilot Licence or an Airline Transport Pilot Licence, have an instrument rating and:
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)
(a) have a flight instructor rating; or
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)
(b) have experience of not less than 500 hours pilot‑in‑command flight time, of which:
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)
(i) not less than 100 hours shall be on the applicable aircraft group, and
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)
(ii) in the case of Group I aircraft, not less than 10 hours shall be on the type of multi-engine aeroplane used for the training.
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... ard425.htm
(9) A person who conducts flight training toward the issuance of an instrument rating shall be the holder of a Commercial Pilot Licence or an Airline Transport Pilot Licence, have an instrument rating and:
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)
(a) have a flight instructor rating; or
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)
(b) have experience of not less than 500 hours pilot‑in‑command flight time, of which:
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)
(i) not less than 100 hours shall be on the applicable aircraft group, and
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)
(ii) in the case of Group I aircraft, not less than 10 hours shall be on the type of multi-engine aeroplane used for the training.
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... ard425.htm
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Seeing as we're on this topic. Any private multi owners out there that meet the above CAR quote in SW Ontario? PM Me. Looking for 10hrs single IFR, and a handful of Multi for the rating and ride. 
Worth a shot, no?
Worth a shot, no?
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You have to be careful with this one.Adam Oke wrote:Seeing as we're on this topic. Any private multi owners out there that meet the above CAR quote in SW Ontario? PM Me. Looking for 10hrs single IFR, and a handful of Multi for the rating and ride.
CAR 406.03 (2) (b) (iii)
What that means is that unless you are renting the airplane and the instructor from a Flight Training Unit you need to get the airplane and the instructor from DIFFERENT sources (unless you are an owner of the aircraft) -- i.e. you can't rent MY airplane and then have ME provide training.... You could rent MY airplane and then find someone else to provide training.A person who does not hold a flight training unit operator certificate may operate a flight training service if:
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using an aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit - recreational or a private pilot licence.
(I should mention that if you are doing this kind of thing there is a requirement to provide some information to TC about who is providing the training and the recipient as well as the aircraft and type of training etc... That information is spelled out in 406.03 (3).
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This subject is a very difficult issue to give a definitive answer to because everything depends on what TC wants to approve.
CAR's seem to give the answer but they do not really give the true answers.....
......for instance this poster asked about giving IFR training, IFR training does not require the instructor to be the holder of or an employee of an FTU....
Same goes for teaching floats, reading CAR's it would appear you can do it without needing an FTU OC.....
B U T .:
There is a tricky little item there that says " At arms length "
That is one of the tricky ones that TC can and does interpet to suit their agenda, if they do not want you instructing they will refuse to accept any of your training based on their interpetation of " At arms length. "
The bottom line is if you are a good little Canadian citizen who is subservient and willing to submit to any degrading treatment they feel like handing out your training will probably be approved, however if you are not willing to be bullied and degraded you will never be approved.
Flight training under the thugs at Transport Canada is dependent on your being subservient and has zero to do with your ability to teach the subject.
CAR 406. 04 needs one more addition.
(c) If the applicant demonstrates the proper attitude.
CAR's seem to give the answer but they do not really give the true answers.....
......for instance this poster asked about giving IFR training, IFR training does not require the instructor to be the holder of or an employee of an FTU....
Same goes for teaching floats, reading CAR's it would appear you can do it without needing an FTU OC.....
B U T .:
There is a tricky little item there that says " At arms length "
That is one of the tricky ones that TC can and does interpet to suit their agenda, if they do not want you instructing they will refuse to accept any of your training based on their interpetation of " At arms length. "
The bottom line is if you are a good little Canadian citizen who is subservient and willing to submit to any degrading treatment they feel like handing out your training will probably be approved, however if you are not willing to be bullied and degraded you will never be approved.
Flight training under the thugs at Transport Canada is dependent on your being subservient and has zero to do with your ability to teach the subject.
CAR 406. 04 needs one more addition.
(c) If the applicant demonstrates the proper attitude.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
No private owner in their right mind would ever let an initial multi student train on their aircraft. All those engine shutdowns and simulated shutdowns are rough on the engines.Adam Oke wrote:Seeing as we're on this topic. Any private multi owners out there that meet the above CAR quote in SW Ontario? PM Me. Looking for 10hrs single IFR, and a handful of Multi for the rating and ride.
Worth a shot, no?
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Agreed. My good friend wanted me to do his twin rating on his Baron. I convinced him it would be cheaper to go break the local flight school's Aztec for the initial training. After he did and got his rating, we did 25hrs in the Baron.F21 wrote:No private owner in their right mind would ever let an initial multi student train on their aircraft. All those engine shutdowns and simulated shutdowns are rough on the engines.
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