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public at large don't liked getting on turboprop

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Really?? :?:

Porter hunts for cash to bankroll expansion, U.S. flights


BRENT JANG

TRANSPORTATION REPORTER


Porter Airlines Inc. plans to raise $150-million to finance expansion as it mulls adding flights to five major U.S. cities.

"We're in the marketplace and we're raising some new financing for new aircraft," Porter president Robert Deluce said in an interview yesterday.

Nine-month-old Porter, which runs four aircraft from its base at Toronto City Centre Airport, expects to take delivery of another six Bombardier Q400 turboprops from early 2008 through early 2009.

"There's a good appetite for primarily debt financing," Mr. Deluce said, noting that Porter already has a cast of private equity partners. "A small equity portion will come from existing cash flow."


Porter is slated to begin service to Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey by early 2008, and intends to add Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia and Washington by 2010.

A 14-page report titled Blue Sky Opportunity, which Porter says was drafted by MBA students for an academic course but not endorsed by the airline, suggests that Florida would also be an attractive destination.

Porter's original plans called for flights within a 925-kilometre radius of Toronto, and while Florida is well beyond that distance, Mr. Deluce said he's studying Florida as a charter option, not part of the scheduled network.

Florida is within the range of the Bombardier Q400 turboprop aircraft, which could fly 2,500 kilometres. However, there are weight restrictions on planes taking off from Porter's base at Toronto City Centre Airport.

Mr. Deluce said the MBA students' report is accurate in producing a chart showing that the airline's breakeven level is based roughly on attracting 25 customers on the 70-seat turboprops. That's a load factor - the proportion of seats filled - of 35.7 per cent.

Winnipeg is another destination possibility. Sources say Mr. Deluce held talks last week with the Winnipeg Airports Authority, but no decision has been made yet on launching flights to the Manitoba capital. If Winnipeg doesn't make the cut, other possibilities include Thunder Bay, Quebec City and Windsor, Ont.

Porter's shareholders from the first round of $126-million in equity financing last year are: Regco Capital Corp., headed by Mr. Deluce; the Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System's Borealis
Infrastructure Management Inc
.; equity fund EdgeStone Capital Partners; GEAM International Private Equity Fund, part of the General Electric Co. empire; and Dancap Private Equity Inc.

As part of its growth strategy, Porter plans to introduce a frequent-flier program this fall, Mr. Deluce said. He noted that the airline posted its first monthly profit in May, and it has the strength to comfortably borrow money.

The upstart carrier isn't going unnoticed by WestJet Airlines Ltd. and Air Canada.

Both of the larger carriers, which use Toronto's Pearson International Airport as their eastern base, have tangled with Porter in frequent fare wars. Porter was launched last October with flights to Ottawa. Montreal was added in December and then seasonal service to Halifax began last month.

WestJet's Boeing 737s are too large for Toronto's downtown island airport, while Air Canada Jazz was forced to halt its service from the island site in February, 2006, after being ousted by a Porter affiliate that runs the air terminal.

WestJet chairman Clive Beddoe, who announced Tuesday that he's stepping down as chief executive officer in September, said he's skeptical about whether Porter has what it takes to be a serious threat.

"The public at large has historically not liked getting on turboprops. You're going to get banged around by turbulence a lot more. And looking out the window, seeing those propellers spinning is not very comforting to the flying public," Mr. Beddoe said. "We operate at 40,000 feet with a modern jet, so it's a much more comfortable and faster ride."

Mr. Deluce countered that Porter's planes are up to the task at 25,000 feet, providing a smooth ride and travelling speeds comparable to most jets on short-haul flights.

Mr. Beddoe said Porter will have a difficult task keeping costs down, given its small fleet, but such criticisms don't faze Mr. Deluce.

"I'm flattered by the attention," he said.
That must be the stupidest comment made by big mouth, and he made quite a few in the last 8 years. Way to go stupid…
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A succesful businesman who will forever puzzle us with his mouth. The only leaders I have any respect for in this industry are those at Air Transat. These guys have quietly and with no malice toward any other competitor, become very succesful. Must be because their culture is not really Canadian.
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Re: public at large don't liked getting on turboprop

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WestJet chairman Clive Beddoe, who announced Tuesday that he's stepping down as chief executive officer in September, said he's skeptical about whether Porter has what it takes to be a serious threat.

"The public at large has historically not liked getting on turboprops. You're going to get banged around by turbulence a lot more. And looking out the window, seeing those propellers spinning is not very comforting to the flying public," Mr. Beddoe said. "We operate at 40,000 feet with a modern jet, so it's a much more comfortable and faster ride."


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Trust me, seeing those props NOT spinning would be less comforting. Can't believe he would say such a "cnn" thing...
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Post by Flightlevels »

I have to agree with Clive. I'm not siding with him just because I work at WJ. 25000 ft going from YHZ to YYZ. Not many options when faced with a line of CB's or mod chop reported in the lower levels. YOW to YYZ, I could handle, but Granny not knowing much about how safe props are is going to be the one questioning it. This comment from Clive was based on a factual survey by flying customers...not just a shoot from the hip comment. Guess you guys are saying it's not true....pilots have always been biased. I've flown on the Q400 of Horizons flipping over to Boeing to pick up a new bird...It wasn't very quiet. JMHO. All I can say is I think it's going to be a rough ride for Porter. Hope it works out, I would rather be proven wrong.
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I'd prefer to sit in the back of the RJ rather than a dash-8. i'd also rather sit in the back of a 737 instead of an RJ.
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"with no malice toward any other competitor"

Tony, I must throw my 2 cents. While I agree that Air Transat seems like a great outfit....I am aware of some very malicious and predatory tactics they are accused of regarding Zoom. The Competition Bureau are investigating the matter. It is said that they are using some very coercive tactics on Caribbean Resorts regarding their intention to do business with Go Travel Direct (Zoom's sister company). I also have heard of something very similar re: Canjet's intention to fly some charter's for Go Travel while they were flying some for Transat.

I have no personal agenda with Transat....just relaying some things I have seen/heard.
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Post by tonysoprano »

Disco.
I didn't know the charter market was like that. Maybe cause it never makes the news the way the evil empire does everytime somebody cries foul.


Four1Oh.
I'd prefer to sit in the back of the RJ rather than a dash-8. i'd also rather sit in the back of a 737 instead of an RJ.
Ya I know the feeling. I'd rather sit in the back of a 777 instead of 737. :wink:
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I have to agree with Clive.
There's a revelation!! :o
That's part of the hiring stipulation I believe. :lol:
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tonysoprano wrote:
Four1Oh.
I'd prefer to sit in the back of the RJ rather than a dash-8. i'd also rather sit in the back of a 737 instead of an RJ.
Ya I know the feeling. I'd rather sit in the back of a 777 instead of 737. :wink:
Really? I I like the dash, i'd pick it over the RJ seats in that thing suck big metal bar right on your tail bone, now that said once you hit the boeings and stuff i'd pick those over the dash
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ditto on the dash vs RJ
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dash was nicer than the RJ up front too IMO.
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been up front in both, Unfortunately it was only to shut em down for the night :? (ground crew) Rj was newer looking but Dash definately laid out better/ more room
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tonysoprano wrote: Ya I know the feeling. I'd rather sit in the back of a 777 instead of 737. :wink:

I'd rather sit in the front of a 777 instead of a 737.

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AHHHHH :shock: its like elementary school all over again! the big bully chasing the little nerdy kid!
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lyncher wrote:AHHHHH :shock: its like elementary school all over again! the big bully chasing the little nerdy kid!
You guys are so predictable. Didn't your parents teach you to laugh a little?
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Post by skyhigh »

I travel a lot and there no real differences in economy class seats whether you are in a 737, 747, 777, 340, 320 or any other standard large transport airliner....all the airlines do is cram more people into the cabins anyways...Talking about regional planes however is a different ballgame..having flown on both the dash and RJ, you can definitely tell the seats are smaller to those of the typical airliners mentioned above.....as far as flying on the dash, IT IS pretty damn loud in the cabin...on take off EVERYTHING is rattling.....however the seats are more comfortable than those of the RJ.....especially when being compared to the window seats of the RJ.......having done a stint on the Dash, you occassionally hear and see passengers displeasure on being flown on a turboprop.....I also remember being told by one elderly passenger on Jazz for me to hang in there, I'll get to fly the "Commercial" planes one day..
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skyhigh wrote:I also remember being told by one elderly passenger on Jazz for me to hang in there, I'll get to fly the "Commercial" planes one day..
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skyhigh wrote:I also remember being told by one elderly passenger on Jazz for me to hang in there, I'll get to fly the "Commercial" planes one day..
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I don't care what kind of airplane it is...I just wish I could sit in the last row (to improve my "odds" so to speak) :bigscared: .
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Post by C-FABH »

The travelling public, in general, are completely clueless about airplanes. They couldn't tell a Boeing from an Airbus if their lives depended on it. But when they see a big freakin' prop outside their window, I'm sure a few people will immediately think of old, outdated technology, which is unsafe.

If you notice a lot of the Porter advertising, the airplane engines don't have props, to help discourage this impression :wink:

Apart from this minor point, Porter is really doing well. I was at the Island last weekend, and have never seen the shuttle bus, ferry or terminal that busy. Hope they keep it up.
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Props or no props. If Clive can't say anything good about anybody, he should let someone else do the talking for WJ. I have never seen such an insecure, spoiled brat, little snaught-rag in this industry in the thirty plus years I've been in it. This guy has a problem and it's overshadowing the hard work his people are doing to earn him the millions. Pretty sad.
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Agreed. Props, jets, trains, planes, automobiles, who cares...I just wish Beddoe would keep his mouth shut, it's tacky and classless. And believe me I KNOW tacky and classless!!

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Props or no props. If Clive can't say anything good about anybody, he should let someone else do the talking for WJ. I have never seen such an insecure, spoiled brat, little snaught-rag in this industry in the thirty plus years I've been in it. This guy has a problem and it's overshadowing the hard work his people are doing to earn him the millions. Pretty sad.
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