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Post by lyncher » Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:26 am

Well, you'd be making decent cash, with a chance to get on an airplane, with nothing stopping you from putting resumes in other companies? why not take it. there's no guarantee but movement in the industry is good right now........
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Post by C-GGGQ » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:20 am

I agree
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Post by C-GGGQ » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:48 am

as a person getting his instructor rating, instructing is fine, but if its not what you want to do as a career, you have to be careful or you'll get stuck like my instructor, 6000 hours, not enough 704/705 time airlines wont hire him, smaller operators know that if they hire him he'll work 6 months to a year get 1000 hours 705 time then the airlines would be clamoring for him. you'll want to either look for a school that also does charters, or work only 1-2 years then get out and find a right seat somewhere.
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Post by lyncher » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:12 am

but the instructor rating also costs you money.... you just need some persistance, there are flying jobs out there for low timers, you just have to find them.
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Post by lyncher » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:30 am

because you arent persistant enough. It kinda seems like you want to go instructor, you asked for opinions and thats what you got, but there's nothing wrong with being an instructor, just be conscious of risks.
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Post by lyncher » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:41 am

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Post by Doc » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:26 am

What's a good start today? The best start would be, to come out of Seneca with 250 hours, and get your useless, know nothing ass plopped directly into the right seat of an RJ with Jazz. You will have no clue what you're doing, because Jazz likes it that way.
Flame on....
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Post by C-GGGQ » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:28 am

and get completely screwed over on all your PIC requirements for your ATPL and never go captain :P
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Post by C-GGGQ » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:42 am

so far all i see out there for low timers is ramp jobs leading to aircraft time unless you want to instruct or go to the maldives. Of course i have about 85 hours less than you.
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Post by wordstwice » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:13 am

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Post by cyyz » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:16 am

VMC_demo wrote: if demand is soo high, then why am i behind a desk, and not a king air, pc-12, caravan
Um, no, jobs are available for those who want to fly 185's and 206's at a low timers level not 208's, 200's and pc-12's.

Just love the logic, "people say the market is booming but I can't find a job on an rj anywhere with 250 hours..." timmy did you try looking for a 206 parachute/survey job, "but the market is booming why would I take those..." :roll:
or go to the maldives.
Think the ad said "float" rating and "100hrs on floats" so unless he meets A + B or just atleast A, I think the dives are out.
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Post by wordstwice » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:58 am

Well, then if it was me I would stay for sure.....but thats just me.
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Post by TopperHarley » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:58 am

If you have no prospects in the immediate short term, I'd consider taking a ramp job at a company like NAC where the wait is minimal (last few people got hired with only 4 months behind the desk). While you are working for them, apply to other companies for a flying job, aerial survey, photography, banner towing, pipeline, whatever.

If that's not for you, look into instructing. You'll spent $6000+ on the rating and it will probably take 3+ months full time to complete.

I got my first flying job with 250hrs doing aerial photography. Ironically I left it to work the ramp, but it all worked out good. Many different paths to the same destination.

If you can get a flying job, especially one with PIC, take it. If you get a ramp offer now with nothing else, take it. But don't give up on applying for flying jobs. Lots of guys where I work have left the ramp to pursue flying jobs. In the mean time, you're better off working at a company that will give you a shot in an airplane while you're working behind a desk then one which wont (i.e. Jazz).
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Post by C-GGGQ » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:05 pm

cyyz wrote: Think the ad said "float" rating and "100hrs on floats" so unless he meets A + B or just atleast A, I think the dives are out.
My friend got a reply, doesn't even have 250 total yet or a float rating, asked if he could have one by September.
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Post by cyyz » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:20 pm

C-GGGQ wrote:
cyyz wrote: Think the ad said "float" rating and "100hrs on floats" so unless he meets A + B or just atleast A, I think the dives are out.
My friend got a reply, doesn't even have 250 total yet or a float rating, asked if he could have one by September.
Nice.. =) 2k float rating or 6k instructor... Guess that's an easy choice for someoen reading.
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Post by rex sterling » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:28 pm

VMC, if it were me, i would take the job in dispatch for now. The market has come a long way in the last couple of years, but believe me, you will gain valuable experience in that dispatch spot. It was a lot harder to get started a couple of years ago, but most of us did what we have to do to get where we are today. You cant always have everything handed to you on a platter. If a company is willing to train you in dispatch, and put you on the line, well ii cant see whats wrong with giving them some time. Pilots nowadays are shooting themselves in the foot. They complain about having to work the ramp or dispatch for a year in order to get flying, but are willing to go fly a navajo for $1200/month. Now you tell me what is worst? Ramp wages with reputable companies are nowhere near what they used to be, having gone up along with the market. With 300 hours and an IATRA, you are not as valuable as you think. But if you get on with a company and exhibit a solid work ethic, your walue will increase. I may sound a little harsh, but come on, Why does everyone want things handed to them nowadays....a little hard work has never killed anyone.

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Post by C-GGGQ » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:33 pm

cyyz wrote:
C-GGGQ wrote:
cyyz wrote: Think the ad said "float" rating and "100hrs on floats" so unless he meets A + B or just atleast A, I think the dives are out.
My friend got a reply, doesn't even have 250 total yet or a float rating, asked if he could have one by September.
Nice.. =) 2k float rating or 6k instructor... Guess that's an easy choice for someoen reading.
only one person who does it within 300 miles of here, $1200 ish two days 7 hours room and board, group rates available :P :wink:
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Post by lyncher » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:58 pm

oh but one thing about the dispatch job...... we have a dispatcher who just got his liscences and is ready to go, but he's amazing at what he does, he's to valuable behind the desk...... just giving a heads up, do what you want with the story.
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Post by lyncher » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:05 pm

we had a dispatcher come on as a pilot. e still moonlights as a dispatcher on the weekends though.
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Post by elfransa » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:34 pm

well the aviation industry can be frustrating sometimes...ive applied almost everywhere and not even one reply yet....i have over 400 hrs with 100 multi still nothing...
im even thinking of getting my instructor license but it is so damn expensive.
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Post by Dave T » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:49 pm

....i have over 400 hrs with 100 multi still nothing...
That is a very tough level to be at to get a job these days. Enough time that you don't want to work the ramp but not enough for most companies. Some people get entry level jobs flying right away but from what I have observed it is still very rare.

Most places are looking for 1000 hrs and some have come down to the 500-800 range.

You have an edge on someone with 250 hrs but I wouldn't expect to be handed a job with that kind of time either.
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Post by Kelowna Pilot » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:55 pm

You apply to a company with 250 hours... they say you're not qualified.

You work the ramp for them for 1, maybe 2 years... your skills have gotten rusty in the meantime... all of a sudden you are 'qualified'.

Ours is not reason why....
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Post by shimmydampner » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:19 pm

Maybe if you'd get off your ass, out from behind the computer, out of your parent's basement and go out and put as much effort into doing your job as you have whining on this site, you'd prove to someone that you're worth putting into an airplane and you're not as big of a useless tit as you're coming across here wondering why your whopping 300 hours hasn't gotten you anywhere yet. Jeezuz tap-dancing christ, when I had 300 hours I was spending my time rolling drums of fuel and carrying propane tanks and building docks instead of surfing the net feeling sorry for myself and it worked out for me.
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Post by Kelowna Pilot » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:55 pm

Most places are looking for 1000 hrs and some have come down to the 500-800 range.

You have an edge on someone with 250 hrs but I wouldn't expect to be handed a job with that kind of time either.
I would generally agree with that assessment. I'm not looking for a flying job unless the employeer is looking for someone on a very casual, relief basis (which very few of them are), but I put out some feelers to see what the industry is looking like right now, and I think you summed it fairly well.

If you have a 1000 hours of quality time, you've got some doors open. But it's still an up hill battle for the 250 hour guys unless you want to instruct or try your luck on the ramp somewhere.
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Post by elfransa » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:15 am

You have to make a choice and go for it either instruct and see where it will take you or work the ramp and hope that even after a year or so of not flying will still get you in the right seat....

I've seen some crazy guys who went to eagle jet bought 500 hrs of turbine time spent over 25000$...wow that's crazy just to get a job
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