Job openings for ramp

bikergirl29 · Post by **bikergirl29** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:28 pm

If anyone is interested we are currently looking for ramp attendants for YXU who can work and are not in school. Shifts are

Mon-Fri 12pm-2:30pm Turn around Flight
Mon, Tue,Thurs, 5:30am-7:30am Outbound
Mon,Wed,Fri 7:30pm-10pm Inbound& Grooming
Sat 7am-9am Outbound
Sun 2pm-4pm Turn around flight
Sun 8pm-10pm Inbound & Grooming

* shifts are flexible to availability and you will work appx 7-10 shifts/wk
* $25/flight

This job is loading and unlaoding baggage,sorting baggage by airport code, servicing potable water and lavoratories, marshalling inbound & outbound aircraft, Grooming entitles you to clean the aircraft inside during an inbound night flight.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:26 pm

What company is it? and will it leave to flying? I'm not looking for ramp myself, but know a couple guys who are.

scubasteve · Post by **scubasteve** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:59 pm

bikergirl29 - check your pm's

bikergirl29 · Post by **bikergirl29** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:05 pm

no it will not lead to flying opportunities..sorry. We are a contract company working for WestJet

jimdandy · Post by **jimdandy** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:51 pm

I'm sure this post was posted in good spirits, but really?

The shifts are 2-21/2 hrs long. 25$ per flight-not per hour.

It adds insult to us pilots who are already in a hard position.

Just another friendly slap in the face from the industry.

Would I have to buy my PPC for grooming?

or will the company just garnish my wages for the next to years to pay for it?

Sorry for the rant, I just feel that this would have been better posted on http://www.jobbank.gc.ca

Cheers

bikergirl29 · Post by **bikergirl29** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:09 pm

Well maybe so, but posted on HRDC would have meant tons of resumes and we are not looking for hundreds of people only maybe 2-3 . I agree on the pay it sucks.

We are the under dogs in the back..doing all the hard work and yet not recognized).....people only assume that once they take your luggage it somehow magically appears on the aircraft at your destination..as if some machine took it all and sorted it there....GEE I COULD ONLY WISH

1000 HP · Post by **1000 HP** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:46 pm

$10 bucks an hour beats $7.50...

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:18 pm

textbook wrote:I'm sure this post was posted in good spirits, but really? The shifts are 2-21/2 hrs long. 25$ per flight-not per hour. It adds insult to us pilots who are already in a hard position. Just another friendly slap in the face from the industry. Would I have to buy my PPC for grooming? or will the company just garnish my wages for the next to years to pay for it? Sorry for the rant, I just feel that this would have been better posted on http://www.jobbank.gc.ca
Cheers

Not a good job for a dum dum pilot, but some kid who is 19 or 20 with just a tad of passion for aviation might learn a lot from doing a job like that first. But not you textbook, you don't want to be slapped in the face. Tell you what, go give the CEO of Lockheed a call and he'll tell you his first break in aviation was sweeping floors at a small developing company called Learjet back in the 60's (what a slap in the face for him!).

I would not put down a job like this, you'd be surprised as to who you can meet and what you can learn if you show up to do more than toss bags.

Anyway, textbook, you're a virus...but I just thought I would defend the job posting. Sorry it's not the 777 job you were hoping for.

bikergirl29 · Post by **bikergirl29** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:27 am

I agree...Its not a glamourous job....but we all have to start somewhere even if that means at the bottom...I know some really great people who started out at the bottom in factorys and are now CEO's or Managers...I enjoy what I do and I enjoy being up close and personal with those boeing 737's....Yeah it's not a pilots job or a flight attendant..but it may lead to a career and every job in aviation written on a resume is better then none at all.

jimdandy · Post by **jimdandy** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:52 pm

Look here dicksgo. Who u callin Dum-dum? Keep pushin ur pencils. I would call the Lockheed guy, but I'm not up his stove pipe like you.

I worked that type of job already, before I was in aviation at my present position. U can't even break even working those types of hours, with that type of pay. I didn't meet one person who gave a shit about my dreams and aspirations of pushing onwards and upwards.
It does provide a temporary feeling of joy being close to those big machines, but the key word temporary.
I do agree with bg, any type of aviation job on the resume does help, even if it is a job of this type. So with that, I think all the 2000TT guys should be applying for it.

END RANT

sakism · Post by **sakism** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:35 pm

I think Deskgo that you should carefully read the job description before attacking Textbook.

- The job is 7 days a week.
- On Mondays you start at 5:30 AM and finish work at 10 PM, but only get paid $75.
- You would have to drive to work 3 times Mondays, twice on others. Unless you stayed at the airport for 17 hours.
- According to the information posted you would only make a maximum of $250/week.
- The schedule does not allow for another job.

There is aiming above one's station and then there is aiming below one's station. Sweeping a hanger would be a FAR better job than the one described.

Not even entirely legal - some shifts don't have 8 hours between them - a labour code requirement.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:56 pm

Alright, don't take the job...hold out for a management position. Really, it's quite inconsequencial to me. Just understand all the greats have one story about spending 20 bucks to earn 10, just because they loved the smell of the industry. This may be a "joe-schmoe" pilot saturated industry, but we are desparately short on industry leaders and professionals. I promise you the next batch of pros will have a story about working at a crappy airport job when he was 17.

It's a hard knock life and it's nice to get the knocks out of the way when you're young. And pissing and moaning about labour ethics at 18 doesn't get one anywhere. Sometimes you have to accept a situation the way it is, in order to get into a position in which you have the power to change it.

I think Sakism that you should carefully read some of textbook's other postings before you defend him.

jimdandy · Post by **jimdandy** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:55 pm

Hey desk boi! u stalking me again>? Checking up on my posts? NEWS FLASH! not everyone agrees with you, pal! Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Myself I will post my opinion, but also tell it straight to ur face in person given the chance

SO, u jsut keep runnin ur little mouth there muffin. Ur my hero for sure. Ur a real winner! Hope I can be just like u someday!

sakism · Post by **sakism** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:50 am

Deskgo - I don't think that what textbook has posted in the past has anything to do with this. In this instance I think he is right on the money. I am defending his post, not him personally. I do not know him personally.

As for moaning about labour codes - haven't you heard all the announcements about workplace safety lately? These labour codes are there to protect us - both as workers and (in this situation) as pilots whose planes might be being deiced/fueled/etc. I wouldn't be comfortable knowing that my aircraft was being serviced by people who had not had adequate rest.

How would passengers feel? I'm sure they would better understand why their luggage gets misplaced.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:09 am

I won't dignifiy textbook's lovely, insightful reply, because children really aren't my area anymore.

Sakism,
I never said that everyone should take the job, I just said that it might be an opportunity for someone starting out. Your buddy textbook, wants the post removed. I don't like to discourage anyone from posting jobs on here, especially ones that may be deemed useful to beginners. A little common sense on the ramp will keep everyone safe, trust me. I've done my share of ramp work with the heavies, and yes much work needs to be done on codes and ethics. But as a pilot and someone who wants to do more with the industry, I can say that I learned some pretty valuable things there.

Maybe the kid that takes this job will be the next player in improving things for the folks who have to do ramp work their ENTIRE lives.
I understand your position on all of this, and respect it. I just would like to see people have the same learning experience that I got.
6 years in a class room, various flying and operations jobs, and I have yet to find another way to learn what I learned on that ramp when I was 19.

jimdandy · Post by **jimdandy** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:51 am

Deskgo, glad to here ur away from the childern. Now u just have to make sure u don't get caught with those teenage boys!
For a guy who spent 6years in school, u don't know when to quit. Maybe someone should school u a bit more.
As far as Sakism, he seems like a much cooler guy than u. Not that we know each other personaly, but I could probley have a few brew with him, and have a few laughs. Unlike if I were with u, I would probley want to hang myself.
Ur a pin head! U come on these sites, run ur mouth and think ur all cool. Run along little boy, I hear ur wife call u, or is she barking?

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:54 am

textbook wrote:Deskgo, glad to here ur away from the childern. Now u just have to make sure u don't get caught with those teenage boys!
For a guy who spent 6years in school, u don't know when to quit. Maybe someone should school u a bit more.
As far as Sakism, he seems like a much cooler guy than u. Not that we know each other personaly, but I could probley have a few brew with him, and have a few laughs. Unlike if I were with u, I would probley want to hang myself.
Ur a pin head! U come on these sites, run ur mouth and think ur all cool. Run along little boy, I hear ur wife call u, or is she barking?

Beer? You mean you're over 18?

jimdandy · Post by **jimdandy** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:27 pm

Sorry to disapoint u deskgo, I am over 18. I guess that means I don't have to worry about u trying to rape me.
Did u want to try and shut up now? or would u like to continue this little thing?

festivus · Post by **festivus** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:58 pm

maybe you should try acting like it. You sound like you're 12.

bikergirl29 · Post by **bikergirl29** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:26 pm

ok boys or gentlemen...i never posted here to start any fueds...if no one liked the posting...then just don't reply to it..if it's not your glamourous job you want then fine but someone may want it..and you should encourage non-pilots to start somewhere, don't dis the job like it sucks or it doesn't matter...when you work in avaiation...it is a team effort from the start of booking flights handing out tickets and dealing with complaints from guests, to the baggage and de-icing ramp atendants who clean and service the plane and marshall you in and out..to the pilots who fly to your favcourite destination and don't forget about the flight attendants, and then the maintenance guys who fix and repair, then you got the fueling people...but most important of all our the guests...if not for all of them wanting to go places and travel you would not even have a job.....So see it is a team!......this whole posting has turned into a fued battle between a couple of folks who need to stop putting each other down and calling names..i mean we don't even know who these people are..well at least i have no clue who you are, or what you have acheived in your past experiences.

All the best of luck to all you pilots who want a great flying career and i hope you acheive that goal...

As for TB you never had to put the posting down in any way if you never liked the job then why did you not just read it and go on your way .....In my opinion this is the work I do and enjoy and you were kinda putting me down in some way because of the work i choose to do

Best regards to all
bikergirl
"keep your hand on the throttle and don't look back"

EyeDeeOt · Post by **EyeDeeOt** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:11 am

Wowee, what a pissing match between I wish I could read A TEXTBOOK and Mr. Deskgo.
Biker chick not putting your job down here.

If you think about it, almost every ramp job sucks ass if you are an aspiring pilot! But if you have good people around you, and cool equipment to load, hey it can be a good time and a bit of money. Yeah this job has long hours, but at least you are not in butt f-ck nowhere loading tubs of stinky fish in an Otter, killing your back.
And for those who want to be a Westjeter, you might actually bump into crews and find out the road they took to get there.
Textbook, if you want to bitch about a ramp job, go ahead, but if you have not done it yourself, your words mean nothing. If you have done it, sorry that it scarred your life forever.

Sure all pilots rather fly right from the get go, but the industry will not be changing soon. I did my time, and I had tonnes of fun.

sakism · Post by **sakism** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:34 pm

OK - this is my problem with this job.

Aviation seems to be outside the realm of any real labour codes. A job with this description would never be posted in any vocation outside of aviation. The people who say "Any aviation job is great!" are probably the same people who say "Sure I'll fly for free!".

Any aviation job is not great. What is it about this field that makes people act like such idiots? Can anyone honestly say that the (extremely) lower lifestyle this job would ensure is worth the honour of being able to say that you've touched the fuselage of an aircraft, or cleaned out the toilet? I firmly believe that this job would be no better on your resume than any other non-flying job.

I have always said that Instructing is the worst paying full-time job in Canada. This job is just another example of the aviation industry flaunting the labour codes that apply to the businesses in Canada. At least instructing gets one hours in their logbook.

The problem is that many aviation jobs take advantage of people and their insane belief that getting a job as a pilot is worth doing ANYTHING. Get a good job and spend your extra money on road trips.

Bikergirl - I realize that you enjoy your job. But let me ask, do you work the shifts advertised for the pay advertised? The type of work is fine, I bet it would be alot of fun. It is the fact that I believe people are being taken advantage of, that bothers me.

TopRudder · Post by **TopRudder** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:56 pm

hello

I did a ramp job exactly like that.

Worked the morning then went straight to the flight school and flew.

Got done flying and studying and went back to the ramp and worked some more. Dont knock it till you try it. I did it after I got my first instructing job too. Great way to supplement your income.

Trust me when I say starting your career off working hard even before the nice blue paper isnt a bad thing... It really builds character and trust me once again working hard in aviation gets you places you would never have gone without it.

TR

bikergirl29 · Post by **bikergirl29** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:03 pm

I personally work 10 shifts per week, an no you can't live off this kind of income..the job is one that I enjoy..I am not looking to be a pilot or an other thing in aviation. This job is a flexible, part time income...not a get rich job. Most other ramp jobs i have seen seem to pay their workers $8/hr now on the other hand if we were Air Canada and had a union we may make $18/hr and work 8-10hrs/day. I took the job for the time being because I was lyed off from another job...As soon as I am back to work I will no longer work Ramp. Its a job that gets me out of the house and doing something fun....This job would be more suited for a retired or student. At least at YXU anyhow..perhaps elsewhere they would have more flights and make more $.

LT · Post by LT » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:22 pm

bikergirl29 wrote:This job would be more suited for a retired or student. At least at YXU anyhow..perhaps elsewhere they would have more flights and make more $.

bikergirl29 wrote:If anyone is interested we are currently looking for ramp attendants for YXU who can work and are not in school.