Watched Michael Moore's movie Sicko earlier today. Worth watching. Heres a link to watch it online free.
http://www.free-tv-video-online.info/
Sicko
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careful you might be branded a communist for mentioning his name. If I look at the reaction Al Gore gets, I don't dare think about Michael Moore. A lot of folks here can't seperate the message from the messenger.
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1) Never pass an opportunity to use a washroom
2) Never waste a hard on
3) Never trust a fart
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so if the intent is good then the misinformation doesn't matter? If things like global warming and health care are such noble and true causes then they should be able to stand on the truth. Don't get me wrong I think health care is the #1 issue in North America. I just wish guys like Moore would keep things factual.F/O Crunch wrote:Is there not a lot of truth in there though?? I think the intent is a good one.
Good doc though I always enjoy his stuff:P
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Stand on the truth?? Whats that really got to do with it? Whats not true?? Accusing Moore of accentuating the facts in his favour certainly is no crime for trying to make his point. His concern is relevant and he does a pretty neat job job exposing the big picture. (Even entertaining). But it seems as though not even the government can stand on the truth... forget mike.
i think the point is he might have a valid cause but he manipulates everything to make his cause seem more dire than it is, changes facts around "creative editing" and he's also a huge dick to some of the people he interviews, all his movies raise good points but he shoots himself in the foot with his theatrics and mis information
The standard response to any conspiracy theory about 911 comes down to, "what about the people on the plane who are no longer here". Well, what about the people who speak their own tales of the medical system where they live. I can attest to the service here in Canada, and yes I would say that it paints an accurate picture of O.H.I.P. The British and French sides were consistant with what I've experienced in said countries. I think Mikey is an a$$hole, but I enjoy his movies. At least he's trying to say something and offer solutions to the problems he sees. Is it fair and balanced? What is these days?
At the end of the day, he has a sense of humour about the whole thing. Every joke is a mini revolution and no revolution has ever been fair and balanced.
my two cents.
At the end of the day, he has a sense of humour about the whole thing. Every joke is a mini revolution and no revolution has ever been fair and balanced.
my two cents.
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That is my point exactly.C-GGGQ wrote:i think the point is he might have a valid cause but he manipulates everything to make his cause seem more dire than it is, changes facts around "creative editing" and he's also a huge dick to some of the people he interviews, all his movies raise good points but he shoots himself in the foot with his theatrics and mis information
In my opinion the problem with health care is the billions of dollars spent on it are directed to the wrong places. it has nothing to do with who is making profit here or there. It has to do with government waste. In Saskatchewan the government came out with a program for seniors where all persciption drugs cost $15. This program cost Saskatchewan in the range of 50 million dollars. Meanwhile there is waiting lists for CT and MRI scans that are months long. How many of those machines could be bought and staffed for that kind of money. Or even just spend the money on staff and run the existing equipment 24hrs a day.
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I'm a Michael Moore fan, but you gotta take him with a grain of salt.
No doubt in Sicko, the people got free health care in Cuba because Fidel thought it was good propaganda. From what I've seen in Cuba, their hospitals are pretty barren, and though they have a bazillion doctors there, there are not much in the way of resources for them. The Havana hospital was probably the one used for high up Party members and tourists.
Moore also says how all this stuff is FREE but only barely touches the idea that it results in higher taxation for the citizens.
As far as government waste in the hospital system, I'm sure they waste just as much as the private system. All large organizations are inefficient whether it be private or public. But at least the public organizations don't siphon off another 5 percent a year for profit or larger than necessary CEO wages.
Public health care wants people to be well so they don't have to stretch their resources. Private health care wants people to be sick so they can make more profit. To different goals altogether.
Some stuff works out better in the public sphere, others in the private sphere. In my opinion education and healthcare are best left to the public sector.
At least Michael Moore had the balls to say "socialism" in America, and bring a different idea to the american people. I personally don't think the US will ever go for public health care, because it is not in their culture. They are a much more "@#$! thy neighbour" country than a "help thy neighbour" country. This is their biggest strength, and also their biggest weakness, IMHO.
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No doubt in Sicko, the people got free health care in Cuba because Fidel thought it was good propaganda. From what I've seen in Cuba, their hospitals are pretty barren, and though they have a bazillion doctors there, there are not much in the way of resources for them. The Havana hospital was probably the one used for high up Party members and tourists.
Moore also says how all this stuff is FREE but only barely touches the idea that it results in higher taxation for the citizens.
As far as government waste in the hospital system, I'm sure they waste just as much as the private system. All large organizations are inefficient whether it be private or public. But at least the public organizations don't siphon off another 5 percent a year for profit or larger than necessary CEO wages.
Public health care wants people to be well so they don't have to stretch their resources. Private health care wants people to be sick so they can make more profit. To different goals altogether.
Some stuff works out better in the public sphere, others in the private sphere. In my opinion education and healthcare are best left to the public sector.
At least Michael Moore had the balls to say "socialism" in America, and bring a different idea to the american people. I personally don't think the US will ever go for public health care, because it is not in their culture. They are a much more "@#$! thy neighbour" country than a "help thy neighbour" country. This is their biggest strength, and also their biggest weakness, IMHO.
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I for one could care less about the American health care system.I personally don't think the US will ever go for public health care, because it is not in their culture. They are a much more "@#$! thy neighbour" country than a "help thy neighbour" country. This is their biggest strength, and also their biggest weakness, IMHO.
They could use the Swiss model where everyone has health care provided by private insurance companies.
What's really scary and we see it here in this country too is the insurance companies aren't regulated.
Take auto insurance as a case in point, everyone must have it to drive but the gumitup does little to regulate it. We see spiraling rates and larger dedutables every year.
In the states it seems your only recourse is to sue the HMO (medical insurance company). Few do and the companies know this. Settlements go unreported, most are settled out of court or the insured person dies.
They spend untold amounts of cash lobbing (greasing palms) to make sure regulation never happens. In fact ask the average American what they think the word regulation means. They'll tell you it's a way the gumitup uses to take away freedom.
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There is no perfect system, but the Canadian, believe me, works better.
Its not only the HMOs, the PPOs or other insurance companies, but the US health care system that is managed just for profit.
The insurers want to pay as little as possible and charge as much as they can get away with (just as auto insurance here) while the doctors try to milk them everyday.
As usual, the problem is for the insured. If your insurer gets to decide (HMO, they call it pre-authorization there) then you won't get the treatment you need.
On the other hand, if you have a PPO coverage, where they collect based on the amount or type of treatment you get, you tend not to trust your doctor because you never know if he or she is prescribing what is best for you or best for their bottom line.
This is the biggest problem, if you don't have insurance then you are screwed, but if you have, then you cannot be sure that you will get the treatment you need or if you are just making a practitioner richer.
With that type of insurance, there is no incentive to get you healthy soon. Every visit, every treatment, every x-ray, every medicine, every everything, whether you need it or not, ca-ching, more $$$$ for the doctor.
Its not only the HMOs, the PPOs or other insurance companies, but the US health care system that is managed just for profit.
The insurers want to pay as little as possible and charge as much as they can get away with (just as auto insurance here) while the doctors try to milk them everyday.
As usual, the problem is for the insured. If your insurer gets to decide (HMO, they call it pre-authorization there) then you won't get the treatment you need.
On the other hand, if you have a PPO coverage, where they collect based on the amount or type of treatment you get, you tend not to trust your doctor because you never know if he or she is prescribing what is best for you or best for their bottom line.
This is the biggest problem, if you don't have insurance then you are screwed, but if you have, then you cannot be sure that you will get the treatment you need or if you are just making a practitioner richer.
With that type of insurance, there is no incentive to get you healthy soon. Every visit, every treatment, every x-ray, every medicine, every everything, whether you need it or not, ca-ching, more $$$$ for the doctor.
I just watched this movie, maybe I'm a bit late on the bandwagon... I didn't think it would be overly relevant to me, a documentary (if I may) about the American health care system.
Wow! America is balls man, all those lobbyists and all the bullshit that goes on between the corporations and the politicians...
I was sittin around today with one of the engineers and he was talking about how he's scared of Russia bringing back the cold war and North Korea, China, and all that crap ...
If there's anyone to be scared of, it's them damn yanks as far as I'm concerned. They have massive debt, a paranoid and undereducated population of gun crazy red necks and the largest stockpile of military hardware all at the disposal of a corrupt government controlled by bottom line seeking tunnel vision corporations looking to appease their shareholders.
Ok so maybe I'm exaggerating, and totally stereotyping, yep I know. And sure, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about... but hell, neither do you.
We'll just have to wait and see what the Project for a New American Century does for the world.
Rant out, peace.
Wow! America is balls man, all those lobbyists and all the bullshit that goes on between the corporations and the politicians...
I was sittin around today with one of the engineers and he was talking about how he's scared of Russia bringing back the cold war and North Korea, China, and all that crap ...
If there's anyone to be scared of, it's them damn yanks as far as I'm concerned. They have massive debt, a paranoid and undereducated population of gun crazy red necks and the largest stockpile of military hardware all at the disposal of a corrupt government controlled by bottom line seeking tunnel vision corporations looking to appease their shareholders.
Ok so maybe I'm exaggerating, and totally stereotyping, yep I know. And sure, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about... but hell, neither do you.
We'll just have to wait and see what the Project for a New American Century does for the world.
Rant out, peace.
