North Cariboo's New Pay Structure

falcondriver · Post by **falcondriver** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:18 am

Just curious if any one has heard about North Cariboo's new pay structure?

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:23 am

yip it is not bad have yet to see it on my check!!

Scuba_Steve · Post by **Scuba_Steve** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:39 am

All the beechcraft types are pretty happy..myself included (the new structure only applied to the beechcraft fleet - Dash crews get a review in a few months)

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:42 am

And you didn't buy the drinks at the Cactus Club...why?

turbo-prop · Post by **turbo-prop** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:35 pm

Actually Dash guys took a good raise too.

Scuba_Steve · Post by **Scuba_Steve** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:03 pm

turbo-prop wrote:Actually Dash guys took a good raise too.

news to me, I thought they weren't getting a review until november...not that I fly the dash or really pay much attention to that end of the operation.

igloo · Post by **igloo** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:29 pm

Anybody know what they pay on the T/O ? Did it change at all.

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:45 pm

That sound you hear is all the guys Sunny Homos stampeding over for the better money

2R · Post by 2R » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:33 am

That is what they call themselves as well !!! makes you wonder ???

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:19 pm

Problem is that everyone who is at SW and meets Shell is either going on a jet or up to their eyeballs in training bond, the rest wouldn't really make significantly more money by moving (if any at all).

The point is that NCA finally realized that not only do they have to make their organization a better place to work for the pilots they already have, they have to make it a destination for people from other companies. Way to be proactive NCA!

McPhoo · Post by **McPhoo** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:49 pm

Better late then never I guess. I would have gone there a few months ago but with 45K offered for an experienced B200 Cpt in Calgary I took a pass! Glad too see things are improving for everyone there.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:58 pm

Cariboo's pay scale used to be based on your total hours. So if you already had 5000 hrs you did alright, but if you were a 2500 - 3000 hr king air guy it wasn't very good and you only flew 500 hrs a year. I have heard that the dash guys got a $2000 raise, not sure what the king airs guys get now.

There are places out there paying $70,000 a year for 2500 - 3000 hr king air captains, some to work half the year, so calgary companies have a lot of catch up to play. Although, there still seems to be a lot of pilots that will work for less to live in the big city full time.

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:33 pm

Ah yes,

The old "work for less to live in the more expensive places" syndrome. We pilots are smrt.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:58 pm

Their pay scale is still based on hours but it's contract driven. There's basically 3 pay tiers. Non contrail, contrail, and shell qualified. It basically goes that the more money you make them, the more money they pay you.

So if you happen to have 2000 multi PIC and are still flying turboprops, then NCA is the highest paying 1900 operator around. KBA still pays more for the 200 but you have to rotate to the arctic half of your life. I don't know all the numbers but it at least is a step in the right direction.

And somewhere down at the bottom, CMA is still the lowest paying 1900 operator in Canada.

Krashman · Post by **Krashman** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:28 pm

There's basically 3 pay tiers. Non contrail, contrail, and shell qualified

How many hours for shell qualified? Does it depend on the machine?

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:44 pm

I can't remember off the top of my head but it's high. I think NCA only had one or two pilots in the whole company who met them.

The main requirements are about the same as for everyone else but the multi pic is way higher. If I' remember correctly it's about double what contrail requires.

The funniest thing about the whole contract is that Shell's own pilots don't have to meet their ridiculous requirements, just companies that they charter.

Treetops · Post by **Treetops** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:40 pm

They can't be that high. We do trips for them and our captains are on contrail waivers. 800MPIC on an over 12,500 a/c and doing shell charters. Shell has done many audits on us and we are still flying for them.

BE20 · Post by **BE20** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:04 am

Shell's requirements are:

For King Air's - 3000 TT and 1200 MPIC, 1500 PIC

For Beech 1900's - 4000 TT and 2000 MPIC, 2500 PIC.

Of course there is also the time on type and currency requirements.

Since Shell Canada has been bought out by Shell International, you can bet they will be making sure that there time requirements are met. These are international standards, not canadian.

Their requirements are 2 - 3 times what contrail requires. With time on type you can be a contrail qualified captain on a King Air with only 400 MPIC if you meet all the other requirements.

Phileas Fogg · Post by **Phileas Fogg** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:33 am

So now with this new raise, who is better to work for Sunwest or Cariboo??

Scuba_Steve · Post by **Scuba_Steve** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:01 am

Phileas Fogg wrote:So now with this new raise, who is better to work for Sunwest or Cariboo??

Looks like Cariboo pays more, is it the 'better' place to work? I have no idea I work for Cariboo and its a great company, and I have friends at sunwest who are quite happy, just a bit poorer than me these days

Cariboo doesn't have many jets if thats your goal, so sunwest would be better, however if you want to fly a dash to horizon and back cariboo is the place to be!

Cheers

Sasky · Post by **Sasky** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:26 am

And somewhere down at the bottom, CMA is still the lowest paying 1900 operator in Canada.

Nope, that award goes to skylink

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:20 pm

Phileas Fogg wrote:So now with this new raise, who is better to work for Sunwest or Cariboo??

Both have their merits and downfalls. If you want to fly corporate or really want to fly a jet then SW. Eventually you could make $111, 300/ year as a fourth year captain on the CL30, CL64, or the DA90 (but big airplane = big suitcase)

If you want to go to the airlines and make good money in the short term, then probably NC.

SW has an RSP matching plan NC doesn't. Both have comparable medical and dental plans (bare minimum) and pay for your medical.

SW has around 11 jets, NCA has 2, but NCA has 3 Dash 8's.

I personally think the schedule is better at SW but NCA has done some changes for the better in that department since I worked there. NC's pay scale is based on your total time, whereas SW is based on years on type.

At SW when you go from turboprop captain, to Jet FO (on the rare occasion this actually happens) you have to keep your turboprop PPC valid to keep the higher pay, otherwise it's a big pay cut. Then you end up flying the turboprop more often than you'd like and your sched sucks.

If you have the opportunity to work for either PM me and I'll help if you have more questions.

Both are good companies to work for and have large work forces of great people. I can't emphasize this enough. The people working at both places are the best in the business.

gig · Post by **gig** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:37 pm

Sasky wrote:
And somewhere down at the bottom, CMA is still the lowest paying 1900 operator in Canada.
Nope, that award goes to skylink

Sorry, but the award proudly goes to Air Labrador, with 24k per year FOs

husky · Post by **husky** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:53 pm

gig wrote:
Sasky wrote:
And somewhere down at the bottom, CMA is still the lowest paying 1900 operator in Canada.
Nope, that award goes to skylink

Sorry, but the award proudly goes to Air Labrador, with 24k per year FOs

That's still more than CMA...

flyer · Post by **flyer** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:59 pm

Anyone care to post actual #'s here, or would that be risking your job? According to the 'bosses', they all share their salaries amongst themselves, so why shouldn't we, without fear of retribution. I would be most interested to see 200/1900 captain #'s. I'd share ours (bxh) but I already know they are 10-20k less.