Lol......1200 miles is a slow days work!Half my total time is in cross country flights, of which those have stretched as far as 1200 nautical miles out from home.
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Cat Driver
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Ahh...flying to different airports...here is my favourite one.
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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small penguin
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TAWS... as you guys dont seem to imagine, sure 1200nm is nothing when you're flying a dash 8, a 737, or any other aircraft on charter or airline work.
But when you fly that much in 36 hours at 3000 feet in a 150 and you do it for FUN (you guys do remember that word right?) then we'll swap stories.
Im at the beginning of my flying adventures (not a career as I dont envision myself ever working for an airline, thats not the kind of flying I want to do). How many people do you know went out and did "big" (relatively speaking of a pilot of about 200 hours) things. Most pilots I know at my level are doing circuits and flying their friends around the city.
But when you fly that much in 36 hours at 3000 feet in a 150 and you do it for FUN (you guys do remember that word right?) then we'll swap stories.
Im at the beginning of my flying adventures (not a career as I dont envision myself ever working for an airline, thats not the kind of flying I want to do). How many people do you know went out and did "big" (relatively speaking of a pilot of about 200 hours) things. Most pilots I know at my level are doing circuits and flying their friends around the city.
Thank YouC-HRIS wrote:Stop calling him "Mr" Daugherty. He's only 20 years old!!
Mr. is a term of respect and Mike has yet to earn that title
small Penguin, thats just what your experiances are "Small" if you think that you could even slightly conceive what it takes, you are greatly mistaken.
As stated before come back after a couple thousand hours and re-read this post, then maybe you will understand.
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Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
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Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
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RatherBeFlyingInCanada
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Small Penguin,
Fun?.....I know that word... I am still having it...Thats why I still fly, because I like the job and the people around me. It certainly isn't for the fucking money or I would have stopped flying years ago.
I am sorry I don't give your 36hrs at 3000ft in a c-150 or 1200nm trips the credit you are looking for , when myself at one time, and many other aviators still are flying 1200hrs a year.
I'll swap stories anytime....my landing light was once burnt out....scary stuff
Fun?.....I know that word... I am still having it...Thats why I still fly, because I like the job and the people around me. It certainly isn't for the fucking money or I would have stopped flying years ago.
I am sorry I don't give your 36hrs at 3000ft in a c-150 or 1200nm trips the credit you are looking for , when myself at one time, and many other aviators still are flying 1200hrs a year.
I'll swap stories anytime....my landing light was once burnt out....scary stuff
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Common fellas??C-HRIS wrote:Stop calling him "Mr" Daugherty. He's only 20 years old!!
Cut this 'my dad can beat up your dad' attitude eh.. Labelling fresh college grads immature maybe real cool and whatnot.. but this sort of name calling thing is putting your foot in your mouth. I don't know if MR. DAUGHERTY frequents this forum but if you so, i'm sure you're a swell guy and this isn't meant to target you alone.. Weither you like it or not though you've become the representative so take the heat with a grain of salt!
Stay cool fellow aviationeers:)
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I guarantee you that my dad could not beat up anyone's dad as he is quite the wimp! I was only saying that in jest, hence the simily face.F/O Crunch wrote:Common fellas??C-HRIS wrote:Stop calling him "Mr" Daugherty. He's only 20 years old!!
Cut this 'my dad can beat up your dad' attitude eh.. Labelling fresh college grads immature maybe real cool and whatnot.. but this sort of name calling thing is putting your foot in your mouth. I don't know if MR. DAUGHERTY frequents this forum but if you so, i'm sure you're a swell guy and this isn't meant to target you alone.. Weither you like it or not though you've become the representative so take the heat with a grain of salt!
Stay cool fellow aviationeers:)
I'm not angry towards the students for getting on at Jazz and Im sure noone here is either. Good for them, they worked hard in school and they deserve to be rewarded for it. But I think the anger is directed towards Jazz for instituting the program in the first place when there are plenty of 1500+hr pilots who would love to be at jazz for the long-term.
Good for you "Mr." Daugherty and good luck to you in training. Maybe we will be flying together at Jazz someday, who knows.
"Never travel faster than your guardian angel can fly." - Mother Theresa
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Clearly that is part of the cost-cutting ... having absolutely legally minimally-qualified people in the right seat, means that the guy in the left seat is, in addition to flying the aircraft, also giving dual instruction.God help those Captains/babysitters at Jazz!
Frankly, it's an accountant's wet dream.
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Yes it is Santos Dumont in Rio.Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that is in Brazil somewhere. I also think the name of that mountain is Sugarloaf Mountain
Of all the places I have flown Rio has to be the most picturesque
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
"Mr." is also used when practicing common courtesy, except here of course. And there is not a single one of you aces who wouldn't have given their left nut to get on with Jazz with 250 hrs so who are you kidding?
I wish the kids luck, but I am more concerned with the level of training they will recieve at Jazz. Other company's have had successful cadet programs but it was only their training and monitoring afterward that allowed them to do it safely.
I wish the kids luck, but I am more concerned with the level of training they will recieve at Jazz. Other company's have had successful cadet programs but it was only their training and monitoring afterward that allowed them to do it safely.
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Letters to the Editor, to Tom Blackwell himself, h*ck, write your own article and submit it for publication - I'd like to see someone (or many) tell the other side...
loadshed wrote:perhaps it's time for some letters to the Editor at the National Post so we can shed some light on the real reasons behind this pilot "shortage"
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True, but what Jazz is doing is NOT a cadet program. The students will receive the same training as all new hires and go through the same groundschool. Maybe their line indoc will be extended though.Rockie wrote: Other company's have had successful cadet programs but it was only their training and monitoring afterward that allowed them to do it safely.
When Cathay Pacific hires cadets, the type of training they go through is different compared to what non-cadet pilots (direct FOs or SOs) face. It's more intense and a lot more rigourous, for obvious reasons. And the training standards in EU are a lot higher compared to here, so it's difficult to make a comparison between Jazz and Cathay, or other cadet programs.
"Never travel faster than your guardian angel can fly." - Mother Theresa
yes he would be able to bring it down safely, thats what they will train him to do. There was even a test in a 737 simulator if two private pilots with no jet time could bring an airliner down safely if bot crew were incapacitated. Guess what they did. So get off the kids back, its not his fault and as long as they are trained properly it wont be a problem as said before the question is whether they will get enough training.Captain Crunch wrote:What I want to know is what the @#$! happens when the captain has a heart attack, or chokes on his dinner. You think Mr. Douchebag can bring it down safely?
If I were on the flight I would probably walk up front and kick that idiot out. Man o Man.
I agree with you Rockie,
In addition to what you said I think attitude will be one of the things that are going to make or break these guys.
We all make mistakes in training, on the line, or during an overnight. I'll be curious to see what approach will be taken.....I'm sure these guys have a good head on their shoulders and most will be liked and accepted by their fellow employees. Captains will be more willing to help guys with the right attitude and show that willingness to learn.
It's going to be the guys with the 24 hour hard ons that have every line from top gun memorized, struting through the terminal with their Oakleys on, trying to bang every FA. Soon they'll be complaining about making 35k a yr while living at home with Mom and Dad.
If no one comes in with that attitude I'm sure the transition will be easier for them.
On a personal note, I think these guys will pass the training, and I hope they do well with their careers. They have alot of people to prove wrong and will be very motivated to do it.
In addition to what you said I think attitude will be one of the things that are going to make or break these guys.
We all make mistakes in training, on the line, or during an overnight. I'll be curious to see what approach will be taken.....I'm sure these guys have a good head on their shoulders and most will be liked and accepted by their fellow employees. Captains will be more willing to help guys with the right attitude and show that willingness to learn.
It's going to be the guys with the 24 hour hard ons that have every line from top gun memorized, struting through the terminal with their Oakleys on, trying to bang every FA. Soon they'll be complaining about making 35k a yr while living at home with Mom and Dad.
If no one comes in with that attitude I'm sure the transition will be easier for them.
On a personal note, I think these guys will pass the training, and I hope they do well with their careers. They have alot of people to prove wrong and will be very motivated to do it.
It is a Cadet program in everything but name and the training they will receive. The first difference is that someone else other than Jazz is training them up to the 250 hour mark which is less desirable than a true Cadet program. The second difference is that you're probably right about the extended line indoc being the only training they get besides the basic simulator and PPC. Unfortunately we can't count on Transport Canada in any way to exercise proper oversight either.
Those kids will have to have their heads up.
Those kids will have to have their heads up.
