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'My back was on fire': balloon-crash victim

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My back was on fire': balloon-crash victim
Crash victim calls for halt to flights
Last Updated: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 | 2:37 PM CT
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A Winnipeg woman, who was burned when a hot air balloon she was in crashed on the weekend, says the company that operates the balloons should ground them.

Liz Clowes was among 12 people injured when the craft skipped across a farmer's field north of the city Saturday morning, before crashing and bursting into flames.

"I was running through the field" with fellow passenger Samantha King, Clowes recalled Wednesday. "Sam, I remember Sam running through the field ahead of me, and then she stopped and I stopped and turned around, and at that point, I remember Sam yelling: 'Liz, Liz, you're on fire!'" Clowes told CBC's Afternoon Edition.

The hot-air balloon hit the ground six times over 200 metres before the basket overturned and burst into flames, according to witnesses to the Aug. 11 crash.

"My back was on fire, my sweater was on fire. And she put me out with her hands. She doesn't even remember doing it."

Clowes has recovered, but says a burned hand remains sore and she has trouble sleeping. Other passengers she has spoken with also say they've had nightmares since the crash, she said.

Although Sundance Balloons president Barry McGonigle said Monday he had been in touch with the crash victims, Clowes said the company did not contact her until Tuesday night. Samantha King told CBC Wednesday that the company had still not contacted her.

Clowes is calling on the London, Ont.-based company to ground its balloons until the Transportation Safety Board's investigation of the crash is complete.

"We don't know what the cause of this incident was. It could have been a faulty propane tank, it could have been anything, faulty equipment … who knows?" she said.

"Until this investigation is over and other people don't get hurt or killed, put the balloons on the ground. If you want to show you care, do that."

Sundance officials had earlier indicated it planned to resume flights this week but none were available to comment Wednesday.
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At what point in your life as a Pilot do you decide, "Hey, I want to fly hot air balloons"


This reminds me of a Simpsons episode for the Mono Rail training course

"Mono = 1, and Rail = Rail... well that concludes the 2 week training course"
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Missed_Approach wrote:At what point in your life as a Pilot do you decide, "Hey, I want to fly hot air balloons"
Find out for yourself, go fly in one. The balloon is a rather difficult piece of nylon to master :wink:
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Balloons a so beautiful to watch on a nice summer evening. They're just a little too unforgiving for my taste. Lose the bag, lose your life. Most of accidents are downright tragic and frightening.
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Doing revenue rides with paying pax in a balloon is IMHO on a par with doing revenue rides with paying pax in an ultralight.

Nothing Transport does surprises me any more.
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Post by FamilyGuy »

Oh come on now Hedley, that's being a little simplistic don't cha think?

Aviation started with balloons and giving rides - been around forever.

Next your gonna tell us that an airplane without a motor isn't a real airplane.... :wink:
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I guess I'll break my silence on this board.

I'm a balloon pilot, and I also have my private fixed-wing, and my glider licence. My original intention was simply to go fixed-wing commercial, but this opportunity popped up, so I'm doing this for a while, I put my fixed-wing on hold for a bit while I have my fun doing this.

I've been reading this board for a few years, but only actually joined a few months ago and have never really had a reason to post anything until now. I don't remember ever spotting any other LTA pilots on this board, so I guess it's up to me.
Missed_Approach wrote:At what point in your life as a Pilot do you decide, "Hey, I want to fly hot air balloons"


This reminds me of a Simpsons episode for the Mono Rail training course

"Mono = 1, and Rail = Rail... well that concludes the 2 week training course"
At what point do you decide "I want to fly airplanes?"

To write off an entire portion of aviation as simplistic is very, very ignorant, especially when you have no experience in the matter. Come flying with us sometime, and we'll show you how it's done. It's a whole different ballgame and a whole different lifestyle. I don't mean to sound hostile with this, and I apologise if it comes off that way. I don't speak of things that I don't have experience with, and there very little I dislike more than when others say things that they really have no business saying.

Flying balloons is a whole different can of fish than flying an airplane. It takes a whole lot of experience and whole lot of skill to properly master flying balloons. You need to work with the winds, rather than against them. It's much, much more of an art than flying airplanes. Airplanes, you get the numbers to right spot and you keep them there. In a balloon, every single thing around you affects you. Every field and every hill gives a different motion to your flight, every breeze and every little bit of heat the sun puts out changes things. Every flight is completely different from the last, and you need to adapt to every single variable.



We've been flying for longer than any other part of aviation, and there are many reasons for it, fun being the main one. I've flown gliders, singles, twins but nothing even comes close to a balloon when you just want to have fun.

There's nothing like the feeling of taking off and not knowing where you're going to land or what you're going to see. Or landing in a schoolyard and having hundreds of kids come out to watch. Or floating along a river, with your feet 6 inches above the water, watching the fish beneath you and the deer on the banks.
bmc wrote:They're just a little too unforgiving for my taste. Lose the bag, lose your life. Most of accidents are downright tragic and frightening.
Actually, a balloon is probably the most forgiving aircraft, and like the rest of aviation, only the most severe of accidents are heard of in the media. Ballooning is perhaps the most safe sector of aviation. Unfortunately, I cannot find the statistics at the moment, but our safety record is extremely good.

"Lost he bag, lose your life" isn't a situation that really happens. How often does the wing fall off an airplane? Or the rotors fly off a helo? It's the same with us. There is really nothing out there (other than a mid-air collision with another aircraft) that could cause the loss of the entire envelope in flight.


As far as this story goes. Well, let's just say there's a whole lot more to the story than the entirely inaccurate media (not a single thing I've read in any of the articles has had accurate information) hell, the only thing they got right was the type of balloon. To even call it a "crash" is an exaggeration. It was a mechanical-related accident on a (routine) high-speed landing. I know the pilot, who is severely injured. He's quite a character and quite well known across the country. It's a tragedy that it happened, and I hope that he recovers.
Hedley wrote:Nothing Transport does surprises me any more.
If the proper information comes out with the investigation, I assure you, it will be surprising.


There's a lot of bad information floating out there about ballooning. If anybody has any questions about ballooning, I'd be more than happy to answer them. I only read the board once a week or so, but I'll keep my eyes open.
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SteamPunk,
Now that was a post worth reading! Thank you.
Cheers,
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Excellent post SteamPunk.

For ballooning it would be difficult to beat Luxor Egypt as the weather and winds are so predicitable...went for a ride in one in Luxor and loved it.
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Thank you, SteamPunk. I have had the opportunity to volunteer as chase crew with Sundance over the past few years, which has opened my eyes to this unique sector of aviation.

I would consider it safer than aerobatics without any second thoughts whatsoever. :roll:
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Can you make a decent living being a balloon pilot? Here I was thinking it was just a hobby for rich people.
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Absolutely.

In Canada, we really only fly four or five months of the year. Unless you're flying a big balloon (8+ pax) it's not too easy to just fly balloons. I suppose if you don't mind living on the cheap, you can do it.

Most pilots will either have a second job for the winter (most have one even if they do make enough money, because sitting around for 7 months doing nothing is boring)

And you can always fly somewhere else. There's a worldwide shortage of balloon pilots. Once you have a few hundred hours and some experience on a larger balloon, you can fly pretty much anywhere. There are pilots around who've flown on every continent (except Antarctica, for obvious reasons) It's really wide open.

Ballooning as a hobby is very uncommon in Canada. 99% of the balloons around are flown commercially. I've personally only met one guy (who isn't a commerical balloon pilot) with his own balloon. It's more common in the US, but it's still mainly commercial operations there.
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TSB # A01/2008

THE TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD OF CANADA ISSUES INTERIM SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS CONCERNING COMMERCIAL HOT AIR BALLOON OPERATIONS

(Gatineau, Quebec, March 27, 2008) - The Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) today released two Interim Aviation Safety Recommendations following the accident (A07C0151) that occurred northeast of Winnipeg, Manitoba, on August 11, 2007 involving a FireFly 12B hot air balloon in a commercial operation.

In its Aviation Safety Recommendation documents forwarded to the Minister of Transport, the TSB notes that balloons are considered aircraft under the Aeronautics Act. However, while balloons can carry up to 12 fare-paying passengers, they are not regulated at a level comparable to that of other commercial aircraft operators. The TSB recommends that:

The Department of Transport ensure that passenger-carrying commercial balloon operations provide a level of safety equivalent to that established for other aircraft of equal passenger-carrying capacity.
A08-01


The TSB also draws attention to a safety deficiency involving the fuel delivery system for hot air balloons. The flight manual for the accident balloon recommends that fuel be shut off during hard landings and during certain emergency situations. The TSB notes that the FireFly 12B design does not incorporate a single-lever or emergency fuel shut-off, nor is it required. Therefore, the TSB also recommends that:

The Department of Transport ensure that balloons carrying fare-paying passengers have an emergency fuel shut-off.
A08-02


On August 11, 2007, at about 0900 central daylight time, a FireFly 12B hot air balloon, C-FNVM, attempted a landing in a field adjacent to Birds Hill Provincial Park near the northern outskirts of Winnipeg. One pilot and 11 passengers were on board for a local sightseeing flight of about one hour's duration, originating in the southeast of Winnipeg. The flight was expected to terminate in an area to the northeast of Winnipeg.

The flight was extended beyond Winnipeg as the pilot searched for a suitable landing area. The winds in the selected landing area were much stronger than anticipated. The balloon touched down and skipped several times. The basket was dragged on its side for about 700 feet and at one point tipped far enough for the burners to strike the ground. When the balloon stopped, the pilot ordered the passengers to evacuate the basket. A propane fuel leak occurred and an intense uncontrolled fire ensued before the evacuation was completed. The pilot and two passengers suffered serious injuries in the intense fire. Four other passengers suffered minor injuries, some with burns. Two of the propane tanks and a fire extinguisher canister exploded, and the basket of the balloon was destroyed by the fire.

The balloon was operated by Sundance Balloons International under Special Flight Operations Certificate (SFOC) 5812-10-36 issued by Transport Canada.

The TSB is an independent agency that investigates marine, pipeline, railway and aviation transportation occurrences. Its sole aim is the advancement of transportation safety. It is not the function of the Board to assign fault or determine civil or criminal liability.

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Photographs and recommendations A08-01 and A08-02 are also available on this site.
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To write off an entire portion of aviation as simplistic is very, very ignorant, especially when you have no experience in the matter. Come flying with us sometime, and we'll show you how it's done. It's a whole different ballgame and a whole different lifestyle. I don't mean to sound hostile with this, and I apologise if it comes off that way. I don't speak of things that I don't have experience with, and there very little I dislike more than when others say things that they really have no business saying.

I wish more of the members of this forum thought like this.
If I had the time and money I would go get a Balloon License.
I know nothing about it but always thought it would be fun.
...maybe some day 8)

One other thing, when is the last time anyone has read/seen/heard anything in the news about aviation that was even close to the truth?
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Concur with 2milefinal.

The best powered aircraft pilots are those who first earned their wings on non-powered flight because they won't be flying by the naked seat of their pants in the event of total engine failure.
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Well, let's just say there's a whole lot more to the story than the entirely inaccurate media (not a single thing I've read in any of the articles has had accurate information) hell, the only thing they got right was the type of balloon.
That's hardly surprising. Almost everything that the media has reported on where I have had a good understanding of what was going on has been reported inaccurately. Most of the time I won't bother read the details of an article because they are rarely correct.

Interesting post SteamPunk. I've never been up in a balloon, but maybe someday...
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