Government Airline?

[Redwine]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-l ... anada.html

[ywger]

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[YYCcrew]

hhhmmmm, perhaps Westjet will be approached to operate this route... could be interesting

[Swerved]

Hell, give it to WJ. See if they're stupid enough to operate the route for as long as AC was pressured into doing. The three people I know who have flown this route have yet to see more than 40 passengers on any flight. For crying out loud, the f**king Newfies complain about everything, and this new Transport Minister doesn't look much better. The company has to look at the bottom line, and act accordingly...give me a frickin' break. Maybe it's time to shut down Newfoundland, and send them ALL to Fort McMurray.

Swerved.

[wooden spoon]

swerved your an idiot.much of the problem with this flight is the slot time in LHR at 2135.There are no connections anywhere else that night,forcing pax to go out of yyt earlier to yhz or yyz ot yul.Factor in these pax and have a look.I personally have been on this flight a couple of times and it was full or near it.And i have asked psr in yyt and they say the loads were ok mostly....

ws

[Dockjock]

Suggested subtitle to this article "Seasonal Summer Service to End Sept. 4"

SHOCKER!!!
Newfie politicians are such morons and they all want champagne service on a beer budget.

[Swerved]

Wooden Spoon, first of all, please understand that much of my post was made a little tongue in cheek. Secondly, I'm glad to hear that maybe this route wasn't a completely lost cause... Based on the (admittedly little) information I had, the route didn't look like much of a winner. Seems there was a fair amount of talk amongst crews that would seem to back that up. Fact is, obviously, crews only ever get a snapshot, whereas the agents in YYT would clearly have a better idea.

I'm just so tired of everyone jumping on big bad AC every time they make a business decision. The company is free to do whatever they want with their routes (within the letter of the law), and if they could make money flying YYT-LHR, I'm sure they would continue doing so.

Have a good weekend...

Swerved.

[Traf]

I don't get it. AC promised to provide summer service only. Guess what, summer is drawing to an end. If the gov't wants to run AC fine. Let them put some money into the bottom line. Otherwise STFU and let them do business like everyone else in the country.

[sanjet]

LOL:

The Newfoundland and Labrador government says Air Canada has cancelled direct flights to London, England, from St. John's despite a promise to provide a seasonal summer service.

Considering FALL season starts end of September...

[ccbor]

Hell, give it to WJ. See if they're stupid enough to operate the route for as long as AC was pressured into doing. The three people I know who have flown this route have yet to see more than 40 passengers on any flight. For crying out loud, the f**king Newfies complain about everything, and this new Transport Minister doesn't look much better. The company has to look at the bottom line, and act accordingly...give me a frickin' break. Maybe it's time to shut down Newfoundland, and send them ALL to Fort McMurray.

Swerved.

Well Swerved, as I read after this post you said your comments were tongue in Cheek. Let me vector you by telling you between what cheeks you can place your F***ing tongue. Between every Newfoundlander and Labradorians Ass in this country, no matter if they are on the rock or out in "Fort McMurray" you pompous @$$. This burns me up! I come on this site to read about how to help and how to get help furthering our carriers and I find posts like this one which are beyond Fu**ing bigotry. "Shut down Newfoundland"??... My God man, talk sense!!!

Politics aside, I know damn well know why they want routes over to England. It's because now we must turn west departing here. Either to fly to Halifax or to Toronto to get overseas. Hell.. your three wise men whom you call friends and and hundreds of thousands of us, as you politely call us, "Newfies" and I know that it costs a lot of money to send a Aircraft with just "40 seats occupied" across the pond and that won't make money even if the plane was made of paper and helium. The point is in the traveling publics eyes this as taking 2 steps backward to go 3 steps ahead. Not every "Newfie" thinks like the politician and I hope the rest of the world don't think like you.


Thank you

[maxofthenorth]

I was on it last week LHR-YYT and there were only about 40 people on the flight.... including all the non revs!

[wooden spoon]

The slot time here is the issue and the fact that you would have to fill the aircraft with revenue pax.who want the final Dest to be London.Slots in to Hethrow are worth(just Guessing)Millions(see Airlingus vacating snn-lhr for bel-lhr and taking the slots with them)So AC has a slot..so where do you use it?You certainly do not want to give it up(the slot) it stunts future growth.
(use where you can)...

ws.

[Jaques Strappe]

Hell, give it to WJ. See if they're stupid enough to operate the route for as long as AC was pressured into doing. The three people I know who have flown this route have yet to see more than 40 passengers on any flight. For crying out loud, the f**king Newfies complain about everything, and this new Transport Minister doesn't look much better. The company has to look at the bottom line, and act accordingly...give me a frickin' break. Maybe it's time to shut down Newfoundland, and send them ALL to Fort McMurray.

Swerved.

Well Swerved, as I read after this post you said your comments were tongue in Cheek. Let me vector you by telling you between what cheeks you can place your F***ing tongue. Between every Newfoundlander and Labradorians Ass in this country, no matter if they are on the rock or out in "Fort McMurray" you pompous @$$. This burns me up! I come on this site to read about how to help and how to get help furthering our carriers and I find posts like this one which are beyond Fu**ing bigotry. "Shut down Newfoundland"??... My God man, talk sense!!!

Politics aside, I know damn well know why they want routes over to England. It's because now we must turn west departing here. Either to fly to Halifax or to Toronto to get overseas. Hell.. your three wise men whom you call friends and and hundreds of thousands of us, as you politely call us, "Newfies" and I know that it costs a lot of money to send a Aircraft with just "40 seats occupied" across the pond and that won't make money even if the plane was made of paper and helium. The point is in the traveling publics eyes this as taking 2 steps backward to go 3 steps ahead. Not every "Newfie" thinks like the politician and I hope the rest of the world don't think like you.


Thank you

So based on your explanation, I guess Air Canada should start a non-stop Goose Bay - London flight so all the people from labrador won't have to fly South before heading East? Of course, it would only be a "Summer Service" that would be operated 12 months of the year. Not to mention, Air Canada is only a "private" company when the Government says so.



I think you may need to grow a thicker skin if you were offended by an obvious sarcasm.

[Swerved]

ccbor, come on... This is the last post I'm going to make on this topic. If you don't appreciate the sarcasm with which I made my first post, I'm terribly sorry. As for coming to this site to further your career, before you decide to roast me, I suggest you spend some time reading some of my posts over the past few years. I've spent plenty of time writing posts trying to help inform people about everything from 703 to 705 flying (based on both personal and friends' experience), to the point where my wife rolls her eyes every time I log on to the site. Not to mention the hundreds of hours (of my own time) I spent while at my last company sifting through resumes, and helping get people the break they were looking for in the industry.

My rant comes from being tired of hearing complaints (by both provincial an federal politicians) over any decisions AC has made regarding the YYT-LHR route over the past number of years. Quite frankly, it's a little tiring. You don't think I know what it's like to backtrack? I live in Thunder Bay, and my family is in Vancouver. 90% of the time I want to go between the two cities, I have to go through Toronto. Generally it takes about five hours (including the connection in YYZ) to get back over Thunder Bay on my way West. IT SUCKS!! Having said that, it's what the market dictates, so I deal with it. I hope Danny Williams keeps fighting the good fight against the Feds about their offshore oil revenue...thank God the good Newfoundlanders (sorry about the "slur"...I promise never to call anyone a Newfie again) are fighting over what is rightfully theirs. What is NOT rightfully theirs is a year-round route flying directly to London. Not unless it becomes profitable, or the Feds take back Air Canada.

Thanks, and have a good Labour Day.

Swerved.

[aroundthewing]

Not to mention, Air Canada is only a "private" company when the Government says so.

You hit the nail right on the head with that one!!

[ccbor]

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[aroundthewing]

Not to mention, Air Canada is only a "private" company when the Government says so.

Well, you hit the nail right on the head with that one!!

[ccbor]

ccbor, come on... This is the last post I'm going to make on this topic. If you don't appreciate the sarcasm with which I made my first post, I'm terribly sorry. As for coming to this site to further your career, before you decide to roast me, I suggest you spend some time reading some of my posts over the past few years. I've spent plenty of time writing posts trying to help inform people about everything from 703 to 705 flying (based on both personal and friends' experience), to the point where my wife rolls her eyes every time I log on to the site. Not to mention the hundreds of hours (of my own time) I spent while at my last company sifting through resumes, and helping get people the break they were looking for in the industry.

My rant comes from being tired of hearing complaints (by both provincial an federal politicians) over any decisions AC has made regarding the YYT-LHR route over the past number of years. Quite frankly, it's a little tiring. You don't think I know what it's like to backtrack? I live in Thunder Bay, and my family is in Vancouver. 90% of the time I want to go between the two cities, I have to go through Toronto. Generally it takes about five hours (including the connection in YYZ) to get back over Thunder Bay on my way West. IT SUCKS!! Having said that, it's what the market dictates, so I deal with it. I hope Danny Williams keeps fighting the good fight against the Feds about their offshore oil revenue...thank God the good Newfoundlanders (sorry about the "slur"...I promise never to call anyone a Newfie again) are fighting over what is rightfully theirs. What is NOT rightfully theirs is a year-round route flying directly to London. Not unless it becomes profitable, or the Feds take back Air Canada.

Thanks, and have a good Labour Day.

Swerved.

Swerved,

Thank you for your kind words sir, what I read now from you is that you are a fine gentleman. In my defense looks like I wrote a letter to JS while you already responded to mine. I've since removed it. Let's leave this discussion behind us and move forward.

Sincerely
Bor

[WF9F]

The 767 that did the YYT-LHR should never have been pulled in the first place. It normally went out full and made good money on the cargo out off YYT.Oh i forgot AC does not think there is any money in cargo.

[yycflyguy]

The 767 that did the YYT-LHR should never have been pulled in the first place. It normally went out full and made good money on the cargo out off YYT.Oh i forgot AC does not think there is any money in cargo.

Speaking of money and wet lease cargo flying... where is my check?

[TFE731]

"In the mail by end of Aug." as quoted from a recent ACPA post. Of course last report before that one said "In the mail by early Aug."

[interested]

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet ... iness/home

Coincidence? Sounds like there is a lot of money coming from across the pond to help with the provincial economy.....sometimes "seats filled" isn't always the determining factor on what makes a route profitable when there are players with pull involved.