Video Canadian pilots and ATC

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:25 pm

Youtube vid of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv9VscGYiKU

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:17 pm

Wow 77 views at 3 in the morning

privateer · Post by **privateer** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:42 am

Well you must live on the east side where nobody cares about the west side.

FL_CH · Post by **FL_CH** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:51 am

What side?

Nice vid, although only maybe half of those aircraft are Canadian.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:51 am

Supposed to be planes served by Canadian ATC was the idea.... and Canadian flights too....

One of the videos was from BC, more Westside culture there than east, another from Alberta?

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:13 am

"The airlines don't get priority with ATC!"

yeah... ok.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:38 am

the video forget about the guys who fly passengers safely in C-172...

rotateandfly · Post by **rotateandfly** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:29 am

nice landing of the A320

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:36 am

Where was the part that goes:
"Jazz 8969 switch to Winnipeg Centre 132.2"

"Jazz 8969 switch to Winnipeg Centre 132.2"

"Jazz 8969 third call switch to Winnipeg Centre 132.2"

"Jazz 8969! Jesus Christ!"

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:56 am

flyinphil wrote:"The airlines don't get priority with ATC!"

yeah... ok.

Not sure what that comment means, but I'm going to take a wild guess you operate a small turboprop.... hopefully for your careers sake you can figure out why ATC would put a 737 ahead of a kingair?

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:00 pm

doublke

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:28 pm

invertedattitude wrote:
flyinphil wrote:"The airlines don't get priority with ATC!"

yeah... ok.
Not sure what that comment means, but I'm going to take a wild guess you operate a small turboprop.... hopefully for your careers sake you can figure out why ATC would put a 737 ahead of a kingair?

Well, seeing how you're guessing, I have to tell you that you are wrong, but then let me ask why they put a M.87 airplane that easily transitions to 370 behind 280/.74 ships? Using your own example, that doesn't make much sense either now does it?

My career is nearing its end so I'll hope for YOUR careers sake you eventually learn to sequence aircraft according to their capability.

Now, don't get me going or I'll have to prove that you are just an advisory service after all!

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:47 pm

CPL, Inverted's initial comment had an a$$hole aire to it so I responded with the same. I have many friends at ATC and have sat and watched numerous times.

In response to your post, yes I can certainly understand sequencing by speed but where do you draw the line? I have been slowed for traffic into YVR and YYZ as far as 400 miles out. Sometimes only to be given vectors for sequencing.

I guess my gripe is that there seems to be no "master plan" to keep aircraft moving at speeds that are economical to them. We all seem to be slowed to the "slowest common denominator" and not just close in.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:48 pm

The only thing I can answer to that is: ATC is a constant changing envrionment, it's not a puzzle where someone hands you the pieces and says "Here fix it"

It's far more complex than that.

Imagine it like this, someone gives you a 30 piece puzzle to fix, perfect you get it all lined up and start putting it together, than all of a sudden, all of the puzzle pieces start to change shapes, you have to figure out now how to fit them together in the new pattern.

As easy as it is for a pilot to say " there seems to be no "master plan" "

Well a controller can say "If the pilots would just climb like a son of a bitch, descend like a rock, slow down on a dime, speed up like a rocket, turn like a fighter jet, ride the turbulence and don't complain about it, and once and a while pay attention to the radio, our master plan might work"

There is no such thing as the perfect scenario.