I am sure the conspiracy theorists will be quick to start ad hominem attacks on this guy, nonetheless, he is correct in questioning, because the party line on the pentagon (and entire 911 event profile) is sheer mendacity from start to finish.
U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot
Questions 911 Pentagon Story
By Alan Miller
OpedNews.com
9-6-7
U.S. Navy `Top Gun' pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad, started questioning the official account of 9/11 within days of the event. "It just didn't make any sense to me," he said. And now 6 years after 9/11 he says, "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story."
Now retired, Commander Kolstad was a top-rated fighter pilot during his 20-year Navy career. Early in his career, he was accorded the honor of being selected to participate in the Navy's `Top Gun' air combat school, officially known as the U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School. The Tom Cruise movie, "Top Gun" reflects the experience of the young Navy pilots at the school. Eleven years later, Commander Kolstad was further honored by being selected to become a `Top Gun' adversary instructor. While in the Navy, he flew F-4 Phantoms, A-4 Skyhawks, and F-14 Tomcats and completed 250 aircraft carrier landings.
Commander Kolstad had a second career after his 20 years of Navy active and reserve service and served as a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, flying for American Airlines and other domestic and international careers. He flew Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100 airliners. He has flown a total of over 23,000 hours in his career.
Commander Kolstad is especially critical of the account of American Airlines Flight 77 that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. He says, "At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757's and 767's and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described."
Commander Kolstad adds, "I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!"
He points to the physical evidence at the Pentagon impact site and asks in exasperation, "Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?"
But no major element of the official account of 9/11 is spared from Commander Kolstad's criticism. Regarding the alleged impact site of United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, PA, he asks, "Where is any of the wreckage? Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all?"
Commander Kolstad also questions many aspects of the attack on the World Trade Center. "How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn't the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just doesn't add up."
"Why did the second building collapse before the first one, which had been burning for 20 minutes longer after a direct hit, especially when the second one hit was just a glancing blow? If the fire was so hot, then why were people looking out the windows and in the destroyed areas? Why have so many members of the New York Fire Department reported seeing or hearing many `explosions' before the buildings collapsed?"
Commander Kolstad summarized his frustration with the investigation and disbelief of the official account of 9/11, "If one were to act as an accident investigator, one would look at the evidence, and then construct a plausible scenario as to what led to the accident. In this case, we were told the story and then the evidence was built to support the story. What happened to any intelligent investigation? Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don't believe the official `story' and why I want the truth to be told."
Commander Kolstad is just one of the many military and commercial pilots who have publicly expressed serious concerns about the official account of 9/11. Statements from more than 30 other pilots are available at http://PatriotsQuestion911.com
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And your point is???
I dont belive what were told either by it, but what are you gonna do about it? have you read 1984? its the same bloddy thing. when someone is lying to you and refuses to admit it, theres nothing more that can be done when they are the ones in power.
I dont belive what were told either by it, but what are you gonna do about it? have you read 1984? its the same bloddy thing. when someone is lying to you and refuses to admit it, theres nothing more that can be done when they are the ones in power.
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I agree with the Pentigon stories that it wasn't an airplane. However it does raise one question. How do you get a big NON-Military Company like American Airlines to give up a plane (IE make it go away) without anyone in the office letting out a peep. A 757 is not easy to hide nor dispose of without someone knowing. MSN's are trackable.
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hmmmmmmmmmmm.....maybe a plane did hit the Pentagon.
Older site, but should still put a wrinkle in the ol' tinfoil hats.
hmmmmmmmmmmm.....maybe a plane did hit the Pentagon.
Older site, but should still put a wrinkle in the ol' tinfoil hats.
hehe hehe
New Zogby Poll: 51% Of Americans Want New 9/11 Investigation
67% also fault 9/11 Commission for not investigating anomalous collapse of World Trade Center 7
Zogby International
Thursday, September 6, 2007
Kansas City, MO (Zogby International) September 6, 2007 - As America nears the sixth anniversary of the world-churning events of September 11, 2001, a new Zogby International poll finds a majority of Americans still await a Congressional investigation of President Bush' and Vice President Cheney's actions before, during and after the 9/11 attacks. Over 30% also believe Bush and/or Cheney should be immediately impeached by the House of Representatives.
The 911truth.org–sponsored poll also found that over two-thirds of Americans say the 9/11 Commission should have investigated the still unexplained collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001.
WTC 7 housed the mayor's emergency bunker and offices of the SEC, IRS, CIA and Secret Service and was not hit by any planes but still completely collapsed into its own footprint nearly eight hours after the Twin Tower attacks. FEMA did not explain this collapse, the 911 Commission ignored it, and the promised official study by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is now 2 years overdue.
Janice Matthews, executive director of poll sponsor 911truth.org, observes: "The supermajority response to the WTC Building 7 question signals an increasing public concern about this remarkable event -- up from 38% last year. We can perhaps credit this rising awareness to the millions who have recently witnessed videos or Youtube clips of this skyscraper's descent and the outspoken demands for a new WTC inquiry from over 150 architects and engineering professionals, including NIST's own former Fire Science Division Chief, Dr. James Quintiere. Another contributory factor is the increased questioning among Hispanics, Blacks and Asians whose responses appear significantly more critical of the 9/11 Commission than Whites, sometimes twice as critical."
Strategy aide W. David Kubiak adds, "While only 32% seek immediate Bush and/or Cheney impeachment based on their current personal knowledge, a clear majority of citizens still seems hungry for a full exposure of the facts. The results suggest widespread public support for legislators like Rep. Dennis Kucinich who pledge to investigate unanswered 9/11 questions in the relevant congressional committees this fall. We hope more of our representatives find the spine to respond to this escalating dissatisfaction with the dubious accounting we have received thus far."
9/11 family member and 911truth.org advisor Donna Marsh O'Connor notes, "I’m not sure this poll is at all surprising. Over half of those polled want more answers from Congress, from those they hired to represent them. One quarter of the country knows enough to want to impeach both. Doesn't it just mean people need figures they consider credible to tell them whether key details add up or not? Truth advocates need to press their case in Congress, on college campuses, in church groups with reason and absolute discipline regarding what can and cannot be proven. The strongest evidence needs to reach the people—including people who hate computers. We must present it calmly. Like whispering so that people reach in to hear."
Poll Sponsor
The Zogby poll was conceived and commissioned by 911truth.org and paid for with generous assistance from individual project donors and Visibility911.com. 911truth.org is a national information clearing house and grassroots resource center for the US 9/11 truth movement. The group is dedicated to investigation, education, organizing, and accountability regarding the recent criminal misuse of government to promote fear, repression and endless war.
Survey Methodology
This is a telephone survey of adults nationwide conducted by Zogby International from August 23 to August 27, 2007. The target sample is 1,000 interviews with approximately 71 questions asked. Samples are randomly drawn from telephone cd’s of national listed sample. Zogby International surveys employ sampling strategies in which selection probabilities are proportional to population size within area codes and exchanges. As many as six calls are made to reach a sampled phone number. Cooperation rates are calculated using one of AAPOR’s approved methodologies and are comparable to other professional public-opinion surveys conducted using similar sampling strategies. Weighting by region, party, age, race, religion, and gender is used to adjust for non-response. The margin of error is +/- 3.1 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.
New Zogby Poll: 51% Of Americans Want New 9/11 Investigation
67% also fault 9/11 Commission for not investigating anomalous collapse of World Trade Center 7
Zogby International
Thursday, September 6, 2007
Kansas City, MO (Zogby International) September 6, 2007 - As America nears the sixth anniversary of the world-churning events of September 11, 2001, a new Zogby International poll finds a majority of Americans still await a Congressional investigation of President Bush' and Vice President Cheney's actions before, during and after the 9/11 attacks. Over 30% also believe Bush and/or Cheney should be immediately impeached by the House of Representatives.
The 911truth.org–sponsored poll also found that over two-thirds of Americans say the 9/11 Commission should have investigated the still unexplained collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001.
WTC 7 housed the mayor's emergency bunker and offices of the SEC, IRS, CIA and Secret Service and was not hit by any planes but still completely collapsed into its own footprint nearly eight hours after the Twin Tower attacks. FEMA did not explain this collapse, the 911 Commission ignored it, and the promised official study by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is now 2 years overdue.
Janice Matthews, executive director of poll sponsor 911truth.org, observes: "The supermajority response to the WTC Building 7 question signals an increasing public concern about this remarkable event -- up from 38% last year. We can perhaps credit this rising awareness to the millions who have recently witnessed videos or Youtube clips of this skyscraper's descent and the outspoken demands for a new WTC inquiry from over 150 architects and engineering professionals, including NIST's own former Fire Science Division Chief, Dr. James Quintiere. Another contributory factor is the increased questioning among Hispanics, Blacks and Asians whose responses appear significantly more critical of the 9/11 Commission than Whites, sometimes twice as critical."
Strategy aide W. David Kubiak adds, "While only 32% seek immediate Bush and/or Cheney impeachment based on their current personal knowledge, a clear majority of citizens still seems hungry for a full exposure of the facts. The results suggest widespread public support for legislators like Rep. Dennis Kucinich who pledge to investigate unanswered 9/11 questions in the relevant congressional committees this fall. We hope more of our representatives find the spine to respond to this escalating dissatisfaction with the dubious accounting we have received thus far."
9/11 family member and 911truth.org advisor Donna Marsh O'Connor notes, "I’m not sure this poll is at all surprising. Over half of those polled want more answers from Congress, from those they hired to represent them. One quarter of the country knows enough to want to impeach both. Doesn't it just mean people need figures they consider credible to tell them whether key details add up or not? Truth advocates need to press their case in Congress, on college campuses, in church groups with reason and absolute discipline regarding what can and cannot be proven. The strongest evidence needs to reach the people—including people who hate computers. We must present it calmly. Like whispering so that people reach in to hear."
Poll Sponsor
The Zogby poll was conceived and commissioned by 911truth.org and paid for with generous assistance from individual project donors and Visibility911.com. 911truth.org is a national information clearing house and grassroots resource center for the US 9/11 truth movement. The group is dedicated to investigation, education, organizing, and accountability regarding the recent criminal misuse of government to promote fear, repression and endless war.
Survey Methodology
This is a telephone survey of adults nationwide conducted by Zogby International from August 23 to August 27, 2007. The target sample is 1,000 interviews with approximately 71 questions asked. Samples are randomly drawn from telephone cd’s of national listed sample. Zogby International surveys employ sampling strategies in which selection probabilities are proportional to population size within area codes and exchanges. As many as six calls are made to reach a sampled phone number. Cooperation rates are calculated using one of AAPOR’s approved methodologies and are comparable to other professional public-opinion surveys conducted using similar sampling strategies. Weighting by region, party, age, race, religion, and gender is used to adjust for non-response. The margin of error is +/- 3.1 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.
That'll buff right out 
You can't be serious Swede. I'm sure old Ralph Kolstad is an expert pilot, but that does not lend one shred of validity to his opionions about the effects of airplane crashes. He's a pilot; not an engineer, investigator, or wreckage analysis expert. The mere fact he has flown a variety of airplanes, including airliners, qualities him as a pilot, and a pilot only. His opinions are no more authoritative than any other layman.
I'd write more, but Elvis is at the door. Gotta go.
I'd write more, but Elvis is at the door. Gotta go.
You're assuming that the pilot intended to hit that exact spot. Do you have any evidence of this? Why couldn't he have just been trying to hit the Pentagon any place he could?cpl_atc wrote:The Pentagon thing never made sense to me either -- for an amateur to fly a 757 in at XXXkts and on an incredibly shallow angle in order to hit right at the base of the building....? A fraction of a degree's difference nose up or nose down at those speeds and you'd be in the middle of building or crash well short. Doesn't add up. The idea that the entire event (9/11) was a conspiracy is a bit hard to stomach though...
topgun pilot
I have always wondered about the conspiracy aspect of 9/11 but dismissed it until I viewed the surveillance camera video of the so called aircraft hitting the pentagon. That sure didn't look like an aircraft to me. A missile, perhaps but not a commercial airliner. But where do you hide a multi million dollar aircraft, crew and passengers? It gives us a lot to think about on the 6th anniversary. My respects go out to all who lost loved ones.
Mettalurgist calls for investigation into 911 building collapses.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera ... sional.htm
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera ... sional.htm
I'm givin er all she's got..
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ocnek, I looked at that site. Interesting, but it only raises more questions. Look at the following image, for example:
They said it was a hole maybe 20 feet around. Some say that was the size of the body of the 757. Okay, then how come the windows above the hole are still intact, as you can see the foam coating them? Where did the 40 foot tall tail impact?
That site tried to explain how most of the planes mass exists as the body, so it makes sense that only a hole the size of the body would be present, right? Did we already forget the size of the holes created on the Towers? They were enormous, as the wings also inflicted large amounts of damage. Additionally, where are the holes of the engines, those 8-foot wide, 8,000 pound things under the wings that were travelling at 500mph? How come they made no holes?
Quite obviously there is doubt, so why doesn't the US gov't release all the surveillance tapes showing the impact from surrounding locations? Where is the wreckage now, why did the FBI superceed any NTSB investigation, taking the flight recorders and not releasing the data? Too many questions are raised that COULD be answered by the US gov't, but aren't.
They said it was a hole maybe 20 feet around. Some say that was the size of the body of the 757. Okay, then how come the windows above the hole are still intact, as you can see the foam coating them? Where did the 40 foot tall tail impact?
That site tried to explain how most of the planes mass exists as the body, so it makes sense that only a hole the size of the body would be present, right? Did we already forget the size of the holes created on the Towers? They were enormous, as the wings also inflicted large amounts of damage. Additionally, where are the holes of the engines, those 8-foot wide, 8,000 pound things under the wings that were travelling at 500mph? How come they made no holes?
Quite obviously there is doubt, so why doesn't the US gov't release all the surveillance tapes showing the impact from surrounding locations? Where is the wreckage now, why did the FBI superceed any NTSB investigation, taking the flight recorders and not releasing the data? Too many questions are raised that COULD be answered by the US gov't, but aren't.
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I ran across in one of the 9/11 conspiracy storeys on utube that a smaller profile plane [ retired fighter] was drilled in there?
anyway like the man says- sure stinks
and maybe the same reason the poobahs did not stop the japs at pearl harbour when they knew they were coming in
maybe the powers that be want to keep the populous unsettled and controlled by emergency ' security' concerns
so they can carry on with their type of so called ' democracy' that would have made Lincoln puke
ever noticed how many 'swat teams' are active to protect joe citizen?
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anyway like the man says- sure stinks
and maybe the same reason the poobahs did not stop the japs at pearl harbour when they knew they were coming in
maybe the powers that be want to keep the populous unsettled and controlled by emergency ' security' concerns
so they can carry on with their type of so called ' democracy' that would have made Lincoln puke
ever noticed how many 'swat teams' are active to protect joe citizen?
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Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of ..snip
If Truth be not your goal,
you have achieved your gaol.
http://www.biblicalzionist.com/index.htm
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of ..snip
If Truth be not your goal,
you have achieved your gaol.
http://www.biblicalzionist.com/index.htm
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm
lucky37,
Check out this link. It's more of the "released Video". There is one version that is slowed down a bit, where I think if you look to the right of the big fireball you can actually see the tail section and some of the fuselage blow back and up. Where it goes after that? I have no idea. Maybe it's just a big box of tinfoil...
As for Mr. Top Gun. There are various pictures of debris. Hell shite is flying every direction in the video. So the guy might be able to operate a multi-million dollar aircraft, but obviously doesn't know how to operate a $1000.00 computer.
Personally, I think a plane hit the Pentagon. Manned? Unmanned? Big plane? smaller big plane? I have no idea. Until the goofs down in the US release more data / video we'll just have to make up what happened.
oc.
lucky37,
Check out this link. It's more of the "released Video". There is one version that is slowed down a bit, where I think if you look to the right of the big fireball you can actually see the tail section and some of the fuselage blow back and up. Where it goes after that? I have no idea. Maybe it's just a big box of tinfoil...
As for Mr. Top Gun. There are various pictures of debris. Hell shite is flying every direction in the video. So the guy might be able to operate a multi-million dollar aircraft, but obviously doesn't know how to operate a $1000.00 computer.
Personally, I think a plane hit the Pentagon. Manned? Unmanned? Big plane? smaller big plane? I have no idea. Until the goofs down in the US release more data / video we'll just have to make up what happened.
oc.
I guess then that we can take the military Air Traffic Controllers, the civilian ones and the total aircrew of a US military C-130 as liars then also. The C-130 became airborne and almost collided with the incoming airliner and then was ordered to follow it and report back by the military Air Controllers. Those conversations with and from the Captain of the C-130 pilot were also witnessed by the civilian ATC. The C-130 Captain stated for all to hear, exactly what took place as it was happening before anyone except those onsite knew about it. I'll also include my brother in that group of liars because he went there with a horde of others to help remove the remainder of the airliner from the crash site at the side of the Pentagon. I mean, what in the Hell would he know about it anyways because he was onsite and was probably being threatened to twist his story anyway by a disguised Dick Cheney?
Witnesses? Any policeman worth his salt will tell you that if there are enough witnesses to an event that you can hardly count them all, you will have an equal number of versions of what that large group saw and no TWO will be exactly the same. That is also why defense lawyers just love to have a large group of witnesses to cross-examine because all they have to do is get ONE witness to say "I THINK so" and at that point it puts the veracity of all of the rest of the witnesses testimonies in doubt. If there weren't at least a hundred different versions of what people saw at the moment of impact and afterwards at the Pentagon, it would be truly surprising.
Witnesses? Any policeman worth his salt will tell you that if there are enough witnesses to an event that you can hardly count them all, you will have an equal number of versions of what that large group saw and no TWO will be exactly the same. That is also why defense lawyers just love to have a large group of witnesses to cross-examine because all they have to do is get ONE witness to say "I THINK so" and at that point it puts the veracity of all of the rest of the witnesses testimonies in doubt. If there weren't at least a hundred different versions of what people saw at the moment of impact and afterwards at the Pentagon, it would be truly surprising.
