What does radar identified mean to me?

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:15 pm

Hey,
In high level or any controlled airspace for that matter should I care if I'm not radar identified. I was never clear on exactly what it implies.

ywgatc · Post by **ywgatc** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:55 pm

If you are not radar identified, I for one am expecting you to resume position reporting at ALL mandatory position reporting points. If radar identified, it's not required according to the AIM.

Jerricho · Post by **Jerricho** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:00 pm

Radar identified lets you know you are "identified" on radar and receiving a radar control service. Depending upon the class of airspace, this service includes conflict resolution, radar separation, separation from restricted airspace and alike. There 9 "methods" of identification ATC can used (1 mile off a runway, consistent with a departure time, IDENT, change of code etc....).

Just because a code has been issued by ATC, or contact has been established, doesn't necessarily mean radar identification and a service is being provided.

Dave T · Post by **Dave T** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:17 pm

I'd say the biggest thing for a pilot is that you don't have to give position reports. Remember if you're not radar identified you have to report points like VORs on HI and LO charts.

NewtonCentre · Post by **NewtonCentre** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:35 pm

Also, of interest to a pilot, if we have you on radar, and you would like to change altitude or go direct somewhere, there is much more chance that ATC will be able to grant your request.

If you are not on radar, the separation standards are much different and it's possible that we won't be able to grant you your request.

tesox2 · Post by **tesox2** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:05 am

hey Familyguy, what do the CARs have to say about radar services? Or radar identification?

Dave T · Post by **Dave T** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:00 pm

True. Although with the increased usage of direct-->anywhere routes, more often than not there are no mandatory reports to be made, aside from those that may be requested by the controller.

This was why I was highlighting the point. Even in non radar airspace quite often we don't cross reporting points. Just pointing out to be extra careful just in case you actually go over one.

Being on RADAR also lets me trust the controller a little more. Not that I don't always pay attention to where I'm going, but I'll be even more careful with altitudes ect if I know the controller cannot see exactly where I am.

Jerricho · Post by **Jerricho** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:50 pm

Dave T wrote:Being on RADAR also lets me trust the controller a little more.

Hey, trust me.......I'm from Nav Canada.

... · Post by **...** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:19 pm

Jerricho wrote:
Dave T wrote:Being on RADAR also lets me trust the controller a little more.
Hey, trust me.......I'm from Nav Canada.

What he said.

I chewed up 5 mins of airtime to ask a great controller guy from YYZ centre on 135.5 explain to me the difference from being radar identified out of YSB and YYB which are two very different scenarios.

I'm not sure why I added to this thread because my post really points nothing out but I did appreciate the little extra effort this navcan pro awarded me for making me a little less dumb at the end of the day...which also happens to be a great feat to those that try to 'learn' me stuff regarding aviation and it's logistics.

as you were.