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If you go on PPrune, look at the 'Fragrant Harbour Wannabees' site and look at the "Interview Gouge."
That will tell you all that you need to know. Will there be a sim session in SFO? 400 or 200?
You have lots of work ahead of you, but its worth it...I have some experience but its all on the PPrune site.
Good luck.
That will tell you all that you need to know. Will there be a sim session in SFO? 400 or 200?
You have lots of work ahead of you, but its worth it...I have some experience but its all on the PPrune site.
Good luck.
"What's it doing now?"
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
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Hickory Stick
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TopperHarley
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http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=280895
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread ... 57&page=10
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread ... did=125935
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathay_Pacific
That should keep you busy for the next few days!
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread ... 57&page=10
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread ... did=125935
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathay_Pacific
That should keep you busy for the next few days!
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sickofstupidity
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Have to reply to this one it's just too funny. Long time lurker first time poster. There have been no major paycuts and none are upcoming. No raises either though. Negotiations are going on right now. Since the Canadian dollar is so high and the HK dollar is tied to the US dollar you get paid less in terms of Canadian dollars than you would have several years ago. However, you're living in Hong Kong so who cares.
Here is some pretty accurate numbers for ya:
(This is assuming you are applying for an SO position)
Year 1 SO pay 386,556 HKD approx 50, 400 CAD
Annual Discretionary Bonus (basically 13th month of pay) 32, 213 HKD 4, 200 CAD
Housing Allowance first 2 years (this fluctuates from what I understand)
in cash 14, 000 HKD 1825 CAD
if Cathay pays your lease directly 24 000 HKD 3130 CAD
Cathay contributes to a retirement fund for you at a rate of 15.5% of your salary.
So let's say worst case you get no bonus and take your housing allowance as cash and fly no overtime you make $72 300. Best case you get cathay to pay your lease and collect the bonus, first year SO compensation $92 160. HK tax? A flat 16%.
For the record I don't work at Cathay but have visited several close friends who do. HK isn't for me but if you want to live their go for it, financially it is a way better choice than AC or WJ.
Here is some pretty accurate numbers for ya:
(This is assuming you are applying for an SO position)
Year 1 SO pay 386,556 HKD approx 50, 400 CAD
Annual Discretionary Bonus (basically 13th month of pay) 32, 213 HKD 4, 200 CAD
Housing Allowance first 2 years (this fluctuates from what I understand)
in cash 14, 000 HKD 1825 CAD
if Cathay pays your lease directly 24 000 HKD 3130 CAD
Cathay contributes to a retirement fund for you at a rate of 15.5% of your salary.
So let's say worst case you get no bonus and take your housing allowance as cash and fly no overtime you make $72 300. Best case you get cathay to pay your lease and collect the bonus, first year SO compensation $92 160. HK tax? A flat 16%.
For the record I don't work at Cathay but have visited several close friends who do. HK isn't for me but if you want to live their go for it, financially it is a way better choice than AC or WJ.
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invertedattitude
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All true - having been to Hong Kong, I think that living there could be a problem, but I had a couple of weeks there and had a hoot.
If you are to live there, it will make Toronto seem like Fort Simpson. They build one 60-story highrise, like it and build 20 more next to it.
Your eyes get sore after an hour or two, inside or out.
Expensive, but Cathay pays up to 49,000 HKD per month for housing. You will have to pay a million or two for a flat. You can take your housing allowance and buy yourself a yacht to live on, then bring it home with you.
There is no comparison with a large, world-class airline that flies only wide-bodies and any Canadian airline. Like any org., they have their problems, but they are sure better than Jazz....
If you are to live there, it will make Toronto seem like Fort Simpson. They build one 60-story highrise, like it and build 20 more next to it.
Your eyes get sore after an hour or two, inside or out.
Expensive, but Cathay pays up to 49,000 HKD per month for housing. You will have to pay a million or two for a flat. You can take your housing allowance and buy yourself a yacht to live on, then bring it home with you.
There is no comparison with a large, world-class airline that flies only wide-bodies and any Canadian airline. Like any org., they have their problems, but they are sure better than Jazz....
"What's it doing now?"
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
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Boeing Driver
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Every few months, there is something regarding the Cathay interview. I find it funny how all these "rumours" and "myths" start flying around. Pilot's are a funny bunch. I've been there for a year and a half flying the 744F out of LAX. If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can de-bunk every rumour and myth that was recently posted. The one who posted the S/O pay based out of HK, was very accurate. And that is the lowest of the low positions at CX. It only goes up from there. CX is in need of pilots, badly in need, but they DO NOT lower their standards when it comes to hiring them. Preparing for their interview requires a very large commitment on your part, and if you are willing to put the time in, you could be rewarded with a long career with them. Good luck!
Cheers!
Cheers!
I was just informed recently that I was successful and will be starting as an SO soon in Hong Kong. From my experience the internet was an invaluable resource. Wikipedia helped me to understand many things such as typhons etc. Visit http://www.willflyforfood.com and get the interview gouge. Handling the big jets is also a must have but I wouldnt spend to much time on it. The first interview is the same as the second and be prepared to answer personal as well as technical questions. Its more of a fluid converstation which starts at one question and moves on to related topics. Know your own aircraft as well and they like to ask about little details such as O2 quantity (green arc isnt the correct answer). Mainly be yourself, the interviewers are very friendly so try to relax. Dont bullshit, just say you dont have a clue if you dont, and I remember us all having a few laughs during the interview unlike an earlier post.
Good luck.
Good luck.
The thing is, the interview is only difficult because we're so badly educated. I know that it doesn't matter what happens if two airplanes fly at the same airspeed and one is heavy and one is full, how many quarts of oil does the full jet have? But those questions are part of the training for JAA and CAA licenses. That's why there are so many Brits there and why so many North Americans have a hell of a time with the interviews.
If you fly through the top of a typhoon and your airplane is painted green, will the dutch roll start from the port or the starboard engine? Painted red?
Fun fun fun:
Simulator Check: B747-400
Your simulator check is divided into two phases and for both you will occupy the operating seat of your choice. The first phase is the instruction phase and the second phase a flying skills demonstration. You will be briefed in detail with regard to the pertinent aspects of the simulator and the appropriate standard operating procedures etc. The simulator flight will be in the B747-400 simulator. Knowledge of the particular aircraft type is not required and no assessment will be made of this fact. Assistance will be given as necessary in respect of particular aircraft characteristics and tuning of radio aids, etc.
Phase One – Instruction
The ‘student pilot’ will attempt to fly the detail as briefed, with you providing the necessary instructional inputs, where required, to ensure that the briefed profile and procedures are adhered to. You should ensure good airmanship and industry procedures are maintained throughout the flight. After the fullstop landing, you will be required to give the ‘student pilot’ a short debriefing of the salient points, whilst seated in the simulator.
Phase Two – Flying Skills Demonstration
The simulator will then be repositioned to the threshold for take-off. You will be required to fly the shortened detail yourself. We appreciate that many applicants may not have flown for some time, hence it should be stressed that this phase is merely to assess the applicant’s general airmanship, understanding of heavy jet characteristics and associated standard operating procedures. Please note that there will be no de-brief of your flying performance.
Management Interview
At some stage during your interview schedule you will meet members of the Flight Operations Management for an interview, where you will have the opportunity to discuss any issues that require further clarification.
Hong Kong Flight Profiles
Phase One - Instruction
The “Student pilot” should accomplish the following:
1) Take-off Runway 25L – Track Localizer – Clean up.
2) Climb to 2500 ft – Accelerate to 280 knots.
3) Radar vectors to intercept ILS Runway 07R.
4) Go-Around at minima –Track straight ahead - Clean-up – Climb to 2500 ft – Maintain 280 kts.
5) Radar Vectors for ILS Runway 07R.
6) ILS Approach to Runway 07R – Fullstop Landing.
N.B. All exercises will be flown with only raw data, i.e. the Autopilot and Flight Director systems will not be used.
Debrief the above exercise in the simulator, prior to phase two.
Phase Two – Flying Skills Demonstration
1) Take-off Runway 25L – Track Localizer – Clean up.
2) Climb to 2500 ft – Accelerate to 250 knots.
3) General Handling and Steep turns.
4) Radar vectors to intercept ILS Runway 07R – Fullstop Landing.
N.B. All exercises will be flown with only raw data, i.e. the Autopilot and Flight Director systems will not be used.
If you fly through the top of a typhoon and your airplane is painted green, will the dutch roll start from the port or the starboard engine? Painted red?
Fun fun fun:
Simulator Check: B747-400
Your simulator check is divided into two phases and for both you will occupy the operating seat of your choice. The first phase is the instruction phase and the second phase a flying skills demonstration. You will be briefed in detail with regard to the pertinent aspects of the simulator and the appropriate standard operating procedures etc. The simulator flight will be in the B747-400 simulator. Knowledge of the particular aircraft type is not required and no assessment will be made of this fact. Assistance will be given as necessary in respect of particular aircraft characteristics and tuning of radio aids, etc.
Phase One – Instruction
The ‘student pilot’ will attempt to fly the detail as briefed, with you providing the necessary instructional inputs, where required, to ensure that the briefed profile and procedures are adhered to. You should ensure good airmanship and industry procedures are maintained throughout the flight. After the fullstop landing, you will be required to give the ‘student pilot’ a short debriefing of the salient points, whilst seated in the simulator.
Phase Two – Flying Skills Demonstration
The simulator will then be repositioned to the threshold for take-off. You will be required to fly the shortened detail yourself. We appreciate that many applicants may not have flown for some time, hence it should be stressed that this phase is merely to assess the applicant’s general airmanship, understanding of heavy jet characteristics and associated standard operating procedures. Please note that there will be no de-brief of your flying performance.
Management Interview
At some stage during your interview schedule you will meet members of the Flight Operations Management for an interview, where you will have the opportunity to discuss any issues that require further clarification.
Hong Kong Flight Profiles
Phase One - Instruction
The “Student pilot” should accomplish the following:
1) Take-off Runway 25L – Track Localizer – Clean up.
2) Climb to 2500 ft – Accelerate to 280 knots.
3) Radar vectors to intercept ILS Runway 07R.
4) Go-Around at minima –Track straight ahead - Clean-up – Climb to 2500 ft – Maintain 280 kts.
5) Radar Vectors for ILS Runway 07R.
6) ILS Approach to Runway 07R – Fullstop Landing.
N.B. All exercises will be flown with only raw data, i.e. the Autopilot and Flight Director systems will not be used.
Debrief the above exercise in the simulator, prior to phase two.
Phase Two – Flying Skills Demonstration
1) Take-off Runway 25L – Track Localizer – Clean up.
2) Climb to 2500 ft – Accelerate to 250 knots.
3) General Handling and Steep turns.
4) Radar vectors to intercept ILS Runway 07R – Fullstop Landing.
N.B. All exercises will be flown with only raw data, i.e. the Autopilot and Flight Director systems will not be used.
"What's it doing now?"
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
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Boeing Driver
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Flying Nutcracker
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To carry on a little tangent that was brought in to this topic a few posts ago... not only badly educated technically, but poorly educated when it comes to work ethics! This is by far the most hypocrytical country (Canada) that I have worked in when it comes to always asking for the impossible and not being willing to do something for it yourself!
Cathay has high standards when it comes to knowledge, but if you read between the lines of what they are doing not only through interview process, but also through the continuos checking and education on the line, you can see that this is no place for people who never ask the company what they can do for it. It is all about asking what can I do for the company, and the reward will come as a result of continued effort! Just like the interview!
Yes, North America in general is saturated with the idea that the interviews are hard, and then when there is a higher standard for something like Cathay it becomes almost as an impossible obstacle, because now I have to actually hit the books!!!!! Heaven forbid!!!
The successful candidates at Cathay, I am sure, are the candidates that just accepts the obstacle of a thorough interview process as a challenge to prove yourself worthy as an individual that will be dedicated to the success of the company, through hard work and solid work ethics!
There's no secret answer to this, other than if you wan't it, you've gotta earn it!!!
And BTW, Cathay is doing you a favor for giving you the interview, and if you return the favor by preparing for it, there might be a long lasting relationship in the works!
Just my 64 cents HK
BTW I know some of you may get offended by the above so I am going to divert your attention by saying that my 64 cents are addressing the ones that are always the loudest on this forum when it comes to destructive criticism, and continue on to say that the majority of all of you actually are truly hard working, but you're not loud enough!
So there!
FN
Cathay has high standards when it comes to knowledge, but if you read between the lines of what they are doing not only through interview process, but also through the continuos checking and education on the line, you can see that this is no place for people who never ask the company what they can do for it. It is all about asking what can I do for the company, and the reward will come as a result of continued effort! Just like the interview!
Yes, North America in general is saturated with the idea that the interviews are hard, and then when there is a higher standard for something like Cathay it becomes almost as an impossible obstacle, because now I have to actually hit the books!!!!! Heaven forbid!!!
The successful candidates at Cathay, I am sure, are the candidates that just accepts the obstacle of a thorough interview process as a challenge to prove yourself worthy as an individual that will be dedicated to the success of the company, through hard work and solid work ethics!
There's no secret answer to this, other than if you wan't it, you've gotta earn it!!!
And BTW, Cathay is doing you a favor for giving you the interview, and if you return the favor by preparing for it, there might be a long lasting relationship in the works!
Just my 64 cents HK
BTW I know some of you may get offended by the above so I am going to divert your attention by saying that my 64 cents are addressing the ones that are always the loudest on this forum when it comes to destructive criticism, and continue on to say that the majority of all of you actually are truly hard working, but you're not loud enough!
So there!
FN
It's been interesting to watch your opinion of hong kong sour over the last few years on the forum.Hickory Stick wrote:Do some research into living in Hong Kong, its not for everyone. Im certainly glad to be back from the big smog! Rather be earning peanuts in Canada then living in Hong Kong.
Cheers
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... ght=#99621
your initial post on the subject was full of excitement and it changed so much over the years as you tired of it. Some of your posts really kept me away from looking seriously at work over there. I think others would do to read back through some of your post history and see what someone went through.
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greenguy61
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TopperHarley
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If you're successful and make it to the 2nd interview, they foot the bill for you to HKG and 3 days accomodations there. But for your first interview, you have to get there yourself. The first interviews are not held in HKG though, usually held in Canada (YVR) or USA (SFO or NYC).greenguy61 wrote:"Cathay is doing you a favor for giving you the interview"
"Please note that Cathay Pacific does not provide any passage to or accommodation to attend the interview."
and they are in need of Pilots??
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