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The fresh maker · Post by **The fresh maker** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:03 am

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Liftdump · Post by **Liftdump** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:56 am

Its aviation,if they could pay you less they would.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:01 am

What is with this minimum pay bullshit. If you are from the Lower Mainland of B.C., they do not pay you, you pay them

OOPS!!! Sorry, those companies went broke and have yet to resurface, I think.

northernpilot · Post by **northernpilot** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:50 am

oldtimer wrote:What is with this minimum pay bullshit. If you are from the Lower Mainland of B.C., they do not pay you, you pay them

OOPS!!! Sorry, those companies went broke and have yet to resurface, I think.

Doc...a couple of the main people behind one of those ZBB based companies have resurfaced in a current YVR navajo operator....

you newbies on the west coast....don't sell your souls!

2R · Post by 2R » Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:48 pm

Has the pool of volunteer pilots not dried up yet ???

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:18 pm

2R wrote:Has the pool of volunteer pilots not dried up yet ???

Nope, there's enough of you out there who have done it and it continues. We still get resumes of people who will fly for free. This is because there are lot's out there who have done it before. We have to rid this industry of this problem but we cant until we get everyone who has done it to admit it and say it's wrong. I know this will never happen here cause you are all too chicken to admit that you did it.. But, It won't change until you do. Suck it up and take one for the team.. Tell the newbies why it's wrong..

BTW, I can start to name people who have done it if they don't do it on their own.. Think about it AC and Jazz folks..

Kelowna Pilot · Post by **Kelowna Pilot** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:53 pm

Nope, there's enough of you out there who have done it and it continues. We still get resumes of people who will fly for free. This is because there are lot's out there who have done it before. We have to rid this industry of this problem but we cant until we get everyone who has done it to admit it and say it's wrong. I know this will never happen here cause you are all too chicken to admit that you did it.. But, It won't change until you do. Suck it up and take one for the team.. Tell the newbies why it's wrong..

BTW, I can start to name people who have done it if they don't do it on their own.. Think about it AC and Jazz folks..

I can just see some Jazz pilots getting a phone call in the middle of the night, with Twotter on the other end... deep breathing... "I know what you did last Summer..."

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:37 am

Kelowna Pilot wrote:
Nope, there's enough of you out there who have done it and it continues. We still get resumes of people who will fly for free. This is because there are lot's out there who have done it before. We have to rid this industry of this problem but we cant until we get everyone who has done it to admit it and say it's wrong. I know this will never happen here cause you are all too chicken to admit that you did it.. But, It won't change until you do. Suck it up and take one for the team.. Tell the newbies why it's wrong..

BTW, I can start to name people who have done it if they don't do it on their own.. Think about it AC and Jazz folks..

I can just see some Jazz pilots getting a phone call in the middle of the night, with Twotter on the other end... deep breathing... "I know what you did last Summer..."

I don't think it would quite get to that. However, with the industry shitting all over people who have done it, I think it would be best it some of these people who have gone on to AC and Jazz came out and said that they were wrong.

g5 · Post by g5 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:37 am

Twotter. like that's gonna happen. And Kelownapilot thanks for that, damn near cracked me up.

There will always be some chump who will fly for free, and there will always be some bottom feeder operator seeing it as a good cost saving measure.

Don't get me wrong, I cringe at the topic, but whuddya do?

Guido · Post by **Guido** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:21 am

g5 wrote: Don't get me wrong, I cringe at the topic, but whuddya do?

Would hanging the morons who fly for nothing be the wrong answer here?

Demosthenes · Post by **Demosthenes** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:59 am

Every resume that comes across my desk saying something to the effect of "will fly for free" or "will pay for checkout" get their own special pile in which I tell all my other buddies NOT to hire these scabs.

This business is small it's about time we use it's size for the good of the many. Pilots are their own worst enemies.

D.

Kelowna Pilot · Post by **Kelowna Pilot** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:28 am

Would hanging the morons who fly for nothing be the wrong answer here?

These are supposed to be the 'good times', and yet people are still working for free, paying to work for free? Huh?

The solution is for pilots to organize and regulate the profession, restrict entrance, control numbers.

The current system where anyone with a heartbeat and a bank loan can get a CPL MIFR is why the term 'race to the bottom' is often used to describe conditions for pilots.

scrappy · Post by **scrappy** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:57 pm

I think there should be a wall of shame on here and you operators that recieve those resume should post them in here so everyone can see

Kelowna Pilot · Post by **Kelowna Pilot** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:06 pm

I think there should be a wall of shame on here and you operators that recieve those resume should post them in here so everyone can see

While you're at it, you should also add the names of all Air Canada new hires who agree to work for $39,000 per year.

And as for the CMA FO's who work for, what is it, $22,000 per year... well, they be sent to the equivalent of "John School".

matt foley · Post by **matt foley** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:32 pm

So if you've been at AC two years and now make 80k/year you're an okay person but you were an an a-hole before that? I'll do you one better, If your not a triple seven skipper making 250k then your a scab!!!!! Get real people.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:58 pm

northernpilot wrote:
oldtimer wrote:What is with this minimum pay bullshit. If you are from the Lower Mainland of B.C., they do not pay you, you pay them

OOPS!!! Sorry, those companies went broke and have yet to resurface, I think.
Doc...a couple of the main people behind one of those ZBB based companies have resurfaced in a current YVR navajo operator....

you newbies on the west coast....don't sell your souls!

That wouldn't happen to be "A whale" of an operator would it?

My "short" experience in this industry has thus far told me:
There are plenty of jobs out there, if someone needs to go to one of these operators then there is a good reason no one else has hired them yet...

The fresh maker · Post by **The fresh maker** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:30 pm

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