Anyone know anything about a new flying school in Nanaimo being started to teach Chinese airline pilots?
Rumor has it they will be operating 50 airplanes.
New Chinese flying school in Nanaimo?
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Chuck Ellsworth
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New Chinese flying school in Nanaimo?
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Chuck Ellsworth
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I wonder how much they are going to have to pay to get enough flight instructors to teach on fifty airplanes?
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Chuck Ellsworth
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No not Vital.
Even if they operate only 25 that will make Nanaimo a real zoo traffic wise.
The rumor is Cessna 172's.
Even if they operate only 25 that will make Nanaimo a real zoo traffic wise.
The rumor is Cessna 172's.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Re: New Chinese flying school in Nanaimo?
New name Cat?. . wrote:Anyone know anything about a new flying school in Nanaimo being started to teach Chinese airline pilots?
Rumor has it they will be operating 50 airplanes.
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No I have had it all my life.New name Cat?
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
The rumour has some basis in fact though I don't know the details.
Since their reputation makes it difficult to bring instructors to China, they could bring the school to Canada.
One thing they did learn in China is that Canadian instructors are as good as you can get anywhere.
The American experience was not so good.
The Canadians proved to be more professional, and less outspoken in relative terms!
The Chinese do read this forum, so perhaps they have modified their opinion somewhat?
BTW, We took delivery of the first DA20-C1 last week, more are coming, and I am still looking for experienced career instructors to teach in state of the art aeroplanes for somewhat more money than the flying schools pay around here.
Globalisation is coming to Boundary Bay and the Wet Coast, and the 30 year old Cessna 152's just might have had their day!
Since their reputation makes it difficult to bring instructors to China, they could bring the school to Canada.
One thing they did learn in China is that Canadian instructors are as good as you can get anywhere.
The American experience was not so good.
The Canadians proved to be more professional, and less outspoken in relative terms!
The Chinese do read this forum, so perhaps they have modified their opinion somewhat?
BTW, We took delivery of the first DA20-C1 last week, more are coming, and I am still looking for experienced career instructors to teach in state of the art aeroplanes for somewhat more money than the flying schools pay around here.
Globalisation is coming to Boundary Bay and the Wet Coast, and the 30 year old Cessna 152's just might have had their day!
State of the art a/c
I just hope that you are not referring to the DA20-C1 a/c. If so you should talk to other operator about these somewhat A/C. Make sure that you can afford lots of down time!!!
The DA20-C1 has given me a little trouble.
It has an altitude compensating fuel pump...
At first it wouldn't idle with the fuel pump on, then the next start it would.
The oil temp and cylinder head temps never rise into the green and so we put half the winterisation kit in.
Now they get into the green provided we lean to 1,450 degrees EGT!
This IO-240 feels the same as the O-240 (130 Hp) RR Continental engine I flew behind many years ago.
I was aware as I descended the other day that I had to be careful of shock cooling... The DA20-C1 is a fast machine, 112KIAS at 2,350RPM and doesn't lose height so quickly!
Then I thought of the more advanced A1 with its higher technology engine with no such problems to worry about.
Two A1s for sale recently were missed by us... People who know these aeroplanes are tending to hold on to their A1 Katanas.
In China I would have started the school there with A1 Katanas that can use the Chinese petrol with a lot less trouble than the Lycomings.
I would also have ordered diesel DA40s as turbine fuel is readily available while avgas isn't.
I'm sorry to be unpopular here, but I've flown many hours behind that Rotax 912 hot and high, cold, very cold and high too. It's a very very good engine.
It has an altitude compensating fuel pump...
At first it wouldn't idle with the fuel pump on, then the next start it would.
The oil temp and cylinder head temps never rise into the green and so we put half the winterisation kit in.
Now they get into the green provided we lean to 1,450 degrees EGT!
This IO-240 feels the same as the O-240 (130 Hp) RR Continental engine I flew behind many years ago.
I was aware as I descended the other day that I had to be careful of shock cooling... The DA20-C1 is a fast machine, 112KIAS at 2,350RPM and doesn't lose height so quickly!
Then I thought of the more advanced A1 with its higher technology engine with no such problems to worry about.
Two A1s for sale recently were missed by us... People who know these aeroplanes are tending to hold on to their A1 Katanas.
In China I would have started the school there with A1 Katanas that can use the Chinese petrol with a lot less trouble than the Lycomings.
I would also have ordered diesel DA40s as turbine fuel is readily available while avgas isn't.
I'm sorry to be unpopular here, but I've flown many hours behind that Rotax 912 hot and high, cold, very cold and high too. It's a very very good engine.
I am amazed...You can ignore the wisdom of your peers at your peril.
I am unconvinced that a snowmobile engine has any place in a manned aircraft .
As for thirty year old Cessna's you won't see many thirty year old plastic airplanes .
Snowmobile engines were put into ultralight aircraft... The Rotax 912 was specifically designed for aircraft and is probably the best selling aircraft engine.
As for plastic aircraft...
I flew a Wassmer WA51A in 1975, it was built in 1972, and it is still flying today.
Since it was a first generation plastic aeroplane it was overbuilt... The wing was capable of sustaining 16g!
The WA51A was like a sleek version of the Cherokee.
Most of the Wassmers that were built in the early 70's are still flying, if they haven't crashed!
I operated the first production Slingsby T67M when it was brand new, 21 years ago. I did outside loops in this aircraft!
As far as plastic aeroplanes are concerned, they are strong and easy to maintain.
Some plastic gliders have been flying for nearly fifty years!
Wisdom comes from knowledge and experience.
I have many hours in plastic aeroplanes, and behind the Rotax 912.
If people make statements, I like them the substantiate what they say with fact.
What about a radial on a motorcycle?2R wrote:I am unconvinced that a snowmobile engine has any place in a manned aircraft.
Legend of The Airplane Motorcycle
Probably ?
Probably not .
It is a shame that Jack Kaiser could not tell us of his experience of his plastic planes in Victoria.As i understand it it was not a happy one .
Not all plastic planes are garbage .The Grob 115 has a great engine and has some nice training qualities .
Nice bike .How does it handle corners ???
Probably not .
It is a shame that Jack Kaiser could not tell us of his experience of his plastic planes in Victoria.As i understand it it was not a happy one .
Not all plastic planes are garbage .The Grob 115 has a great engine and has some nice training qualities .
Nice bike .How does it handle corners ???
Getting back to the flight school... Nice Bike though... A flight school with that many airplanes would need A LOT of students not to mention a lot of instructors too. From what I've seen lately, everyone is looking for instructors so if one school needed a bunch at one time they'd probably never get enough. With demand for instructors high, maybe instructors won't be making peanuts for too much longer 
Not likely... I only make half peanuts
Not likely... I only make half peanuts
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Keep the wheel side down
Keep the wheel side down
Well if someone managed to score a killer contract and had lots of excess money to burn I bet you COULD get enough instructors. Just offer a bucket of money and enough people will jump ship… Now how that would effect the other schools would be another question, but one way or another it will be interesting to see what happens…
It is indeed difficult to find good instructors these days...
Yes, instructors should be paid more than burger sellers.
At the Victoria Flying Club the other day we determined the waitress in their restaurant at $10 an hour + tips makes a lot more money than the flying instructors in the same building.
The trouble now is finding good quality instructors... I'm still looking!
We'll have an OC soon with smart new aeroplanes and not enough instructors to provide quality training in them.
Yes, instructors should be paid more than burger sellers.
At the Victoria Flying Club the other day we determined the waitress in their restaurant at $10 an hour + tips makes a lot more money than the flying instructors in the same building.
The trouble now is finding good quality instructors... I'm still looking!
We'll have an OC soon with smart new aeroplanes and not enough instructors to provide quality training in them.
Trouble is finding instructors with real knowledge and experience.
If I point to the venturi on the Citabria and ask "what's this" and I get "something to do with the airspeed" or a puzzled look, I know the class 1 or 2 instructor I'm asking does not have enough background knowledge.
Sadly, this has happened several times in the past.
I don't mind if the instructor is planning on doing it for a couple of years and then going to the airlines... I just want him or her to know his/her stuff!
I don't want anyone who has pre-conceived ideas about Rotax engines or anything that is not Cessna or Piper...
I want an enthusiastic aviator with a true interest in what we are doing.
If I point to the venturi on the Citabria and ask "what's this" and I get "something to do with the airspeed" or a puzzled look, I know the class 1 or 2 instructor I'm asking does not have enough background knowledge.
Sadly, this has happened several times in the past.
I don't mind if the instructor is planning on doing it for a couple of years and then going to the airlines... I just want him or her to know his/her stuff!
I don't want anyone who has pre-conceived ideas about Rotax engines or anything that is not Cessna or Piper...
I want an enthusiastic aviator with a true interest in what we are doing.
Fair enough, thats a very reasonable expectation. I have nothing against rotax engines, and i'm not a huge cessna or piper advocate, i've just seen first hand the trouble Moncton has had with their Diamonds, whether its poor maintenance, older version of the aircraft, the aircraft itself, or just the abuse that has been put on some of their aircraft I don't know. They have just been nothing but bad news for Moncton. However I honestly hope you fair better with the aircraft than they did. Other than that you seem to know what you want and have a good plan laid out. I wish you luck. Also what are you planning for a Multi trainer?
Problem is, as soon as an instructor accumulates any knowledge and/or experience, he moves on. To do otherwise is financial (and career) suicide, because flight instruction pays so poorly - often below minimum wage, when all hours are considered.Trouble is finding instructors with real knowledge and experience
Like ., I think you have an unrealistic expectation of a typical class 1 or 2 instructor. Breadth of experience is most definitely NOT a requirement for a class 1 or 2 instructor - they could very well have accumulated all their instructional time on a single airframe. It is certainly not uncommon to accumulate nearly all their instructional experience on a single aircraft type.the class 1 or 2 instructor I'm asking does not have enough background knowledge.
