AIR CHINA 738 near overshoot!

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:47 am

It does not get any closer then this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbINavHtiA&eurl=

CD · Post by CD » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:53 am

Already posted...

China Airlines clips the fence.....

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:20 am

Ya gets to the end of the runway, and ya pulls up......

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:19 am

Doesn't look like he had enough flap selected? Reminds me of that awful crash of a 37 into the Potomac because the epr system was iced up and nobody thought to firewall the thrust levers.

"Thrust set''
"Airspeed alive"
"80 knots crosscheck"
"WTF"
"Reject"
"Oh, by the way, there's a typhoon at destination..."

Remind me to choose China Airlines next time, or at least let the pax do their own walkaround.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:24 am

xsbank wrote: Remind me to choose China Airlines next time, or at least let the pax do their own walkaround.

dashman69 · Post by **dashman69** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:54 am

Seneca grad at the controls?

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:20 pm

THEICEMAN this video by the way has nothing to do with overshooting. I know with your vast experience you are well aware of the difference between a late rotation and an overshoot. Nice job on trying to test all of us. Keep up the outstanding work!

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:28 pm

I said near overshoot! Not overshoot! That's the title of the youtube video.....i'm sorry but a couple more feet and he was on the grass!

o.k. this has got to stop! Now people are just looking for reasons to attack me!

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:49 pm

After a few games of Jiuling, I'd hit that anchor lady.

TopperHarley · Post by **TopperHarley** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:35 pm

bob sacamano wrote:After a few games of Jiuling, I'd hit that anchor lady.

You mean like with a baseball bat?

leftcoaster · Post by **leftcoaster** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:05 pm

THEICEMAN wrote:I said near overshoot! Not overshoot! That's the title of the youtube video.....i'm sorry but a couple more feet and he was on the grass!

o.k. this has got to stop! Now people are just looking for reasons to attack me!

Thought "overrun" might be more appropriate but after a sec thought that it would be more appropriate to landing. Whaddaya call it when you put 'er into the rhubarb on the t/o roll with power on anyway?
Nonetheless, scary indeed. Capt and FO airspeed showing different values? Can you say ....REJECT!
mho
KG

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:41 pm

It didn't look like they had any flap out, is that Normal for a 737-800 any WJ guys on here?

nimbostratus · Post by **nimbostratus** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:00 pm

Remind me to choose China Airlines next time, or at least let the pax do their own walkaround.

Ummm correct me if i'm wrong... but the airplane in the video had a China Airlines paint job. As much as I'd love to bash Air China right now, it wasn't their airplane. Maybe you'd better just stick with Singapore Airlines.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:16 pm

Actually, I meant it sarcastically, but I can see why it didn't read correctly. A large crack and then that 'interesting' departure...

What are your sops? 80 knots crosscheck - would you abort for instruments that are not in agreement?

And what was that comment, they decided to return to the airport as there was a typhoon at their destination - pre-flight, anyone?

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:25 am

Maybe I am going blind, but it didn't look like they had very much slat out and the flaps looked like they were up as well

Tiny Voices · Post by **Tiny Voices** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:42 am

The majority of takeoffs in the NG's are flap 1.There is no slats only option.If you select flap 1,2 or 5 the trailing edge flaps extend to the selected position,the leading edge flaps fully extend and the slats move to the extended position.Beyond flap 5 the slats move to the fully extended position.Not speculating on what happened, just adding to the discussion that they had at least flaps 1 set.

Niodatchi · Post by **Niodatchi** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:04 pm

I understand japanese and from the newscasts, the captain made the rotate call but the f\o didnt! Amazing! The f\o excuse was that it was too heavy... Maybe a bad trim setting... Baka yaro! Niodatchi

paddy · Post by **paddy** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:11 pm

Thank god for the subtitles - I was lost without them!

C-GGGQ · Post by **C-GGGQ** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:54 am

well the slats were down a bit so it was at least flap 1, however i was under the impression that flap 5 was take off setting. If they had NO flaps on they never would have pulled her off the ground

TITAN · Post by **TITAN** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:34 am

According to the standards over that side of the world, the Capt had just over 200 hrs plus a CPL , the co-pilot will start his PPL ground school next week....

Tiny Voices · Post by **Tiny Voices** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:18 pm

C-GGGQ wrote:well the slats were down a bit so it was at least flap 1, however i was under the impression that flap 5 was take off setting. If they had NO flaps on they never would have pulled her off the ground

Can't speak for the Classics but, for the NG's, the takeoff flap setting is a range.Could be from 1 to 15.In almost two years on the airplane, the vast majority of the takeoffs i have done have been flap one.I coud probably almost count on one hand (2 for sure) the number of flap 5 takeoffs i have done.Haven't done a flap 15 t/o...yet!

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:28 pm

Tiny, just a word in your ear... the long flat key in the middle of your keyboard - if you push it, it makes a 's p a c e' and makes your interesting contribution (really!) wayeasiertoread.

When would you use flaps 15? Short runway? Heavy load? Captain?

Tiny Voices · Post by **Tiny Voices** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:57 pm

xsbank wrote:Tiny, just a word in your ear... the long flat key in the middle of your keyboard - if you push it, it makes a 's p a c e' and makes your interesting contribution (really!) wayeasiertoread.

When would you use flaps 15? Short runway? Heavy load? Captain?

Hmm?Not sure why you don't see spaces?They are there!!At least on my screen they are.

Flap 15 t/o...short rwy, hot, heavy.Might even be a packs off t/o under those conditions with the apu used for bleed air.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:00 pm

Tiny Voices wrote:
xsbank wrote:Tiny, just a word in your ear... the long flat key in the middle of your keyboard - if you push it, it makes a 's p a c e' and makes your interesting contribution (really!) wayeasiertoread.

When would you use flaps 15? Short runway? Heavy load? Captain?

Hmm?Not why you don't see spaces?They are there!!At least on my screen they are.

Flap 15 t/o...short rwy, hot, heavy.Might even be a packs off t/o under those conditions with the apu used for bleed air.

I think he means you're not putting spaces after your sentances

Tiny Voices · Post by **Tiny Voices** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:51 pm

Criticism accepted!