Jazz Take home pay

broompusher · Post by **broompusher** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:08 pm

Is it possible during the first year at Jazz to take home $3,000/per month including perdiems and working the 2 overtime days per month?

Stinky · Post by **Stinky** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:14 pm

Unlikely. Maybe some months with high credit WDO's.

broompusher · Post by **broompusher** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:15 pm

WDO's?

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:40 pm

WDO= Working Day Off

I get about $750 a month in Perdiems at Jazz. Thats the one spot they at least pay fairly well.

broompusher · Post by **broompusher** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:58 pm

Is working the two overtime days a guarantee if you choose to do so or is it more of a 50/50 chance?

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:54 pm

I think you will end up with about $2800 take home first year incl. per diems, with no WDO's. FO WDO's are hard to come by. I work reserve and hardly work, so if I'm not working (a good thing), no one will be called on a WDO.

Stinky · Post by **Stinky** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:08 am

I do 2 every month. In the spring there was one month I didn't get called at all. Usually you can count on doing 2 if your'e not choosy. That's the problem. If they call you for one that is 4.5 credit hours you should grab it because it might be youre only chance for overtime that month. Getting 2 a month that are 6 hrs each is more luck than good planning.

broompusher · Post by **broompusher** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:05 pm

What does the overtime pay come out to if you work a WDO assuming 4.5 credit hours only (gross and take home)

Valcore · Post by **Valcore** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:14 pm

Are you trying to say that you're leaving Sunwest already? Say it ain't so Broom.

broompusher · Post by **broompusher** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:44 pm

I don't know what I'm going to be doing at this point, right now i'm trying to gather as much information as I can to make an informed decision. Obviously there are many things to consider, and I do not want to make any decision based on lack of or wrong information.

broompusher · Post by **broompusher** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:48 pm

broompusher wrote:What does the overtime pay come out to if you work a WDO assuming 4.5 credit hours only (gross and take home)

can anyone let me know?

Stinky · Post by **Stinky** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:14 am

Hourly rate is $35 x 1.5 x 4.5 (credit hrs)

Gross $236

or for a 6 hr WDO $315

Plus the per diems of course.

I haven't calculated the actual take home but most of my cheques are a few hundred higher than no overtime cheques. Plus you'll make an extra $50 - $100 in per diems.
The first few months in training can be rough. No overtime and crappy per diems depending on where your training takes place.
The first year flies by though and then you'll be raking in the huge dollars.

Rem · Post by **Rem** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:33 am

You CAN'T count on WDO's. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. Maybe some bases/equipment types have more WDO availability than others, but I put myself down every day I have off and the last one I got called for was in August. Someone said they get them all the time so maybe it's just the luck of the draw, who knows, just don't mortgage your house for it!

998877 · Post by **998877** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:56 am

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:21 pm

jmad wrote:the MONEY is the biggest joke in the industry......Apparently we are not professionals....We are with the likes of uneducated street sweepers or garbage men, or secretaries....You can make more money delivering Pizza....I make 950 every 2 weeks take home...650 on average/month food allowance...total bullshit....They wonder why there is a max EXODUS of F.O'S at Jazz....They say we have a PILOT SHORTAGE..in the industry...How ABOUT A SELF INFLICTED SHORTAGE BECAUSE JAZZ REFUSES TO PAY PROPER WAGES TO ITS MOST IMPORTANT RESOURSE, ITS DAMN PILOTS!!!!!!!!!THEY WOULD RATHER HIGHER KIDS THEN PAY US PROPERLY! NO ONE WILL COME TO JAZZ....THERE RIGHT THEY DO HAVE A SHORTAGE!!

Here we go again, Get over it

atpilot · Post by **atpilot** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:19 pm

I've been told that an FO makes $70,000.00 a year in their 3rd year. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

zforzulu · Post by **zforzulu** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:34 pm

I can deny it.

z.

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:16 am

atpilot wrote:I've been told that an FO makes $70,000.00 a year in their 3rd year. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I'm in my 7th year and should make around 60 so there is no chance that someone in their 3rd yr will make 70k at Jazz.

atpilot · Post by **atpilot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:47 am

Thanks for the responses.

Flaps 1 Billion · Post by **Flaps 1 Billion** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:56 am

Man I hope you guys really push for something in your new contract. I'm not a Jazz but I really do hope you get something good. You deserve it.

60 after 7 years just doesn't add up.

rudder · Post by **rudder** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:51 am

Flaps 1 Billion wrote: 60 after 7 years just doesn't add up.

Perhaps the issue here is perspective.

Does nobody recall the days where at AC it was 5 years at S/O pay before holding junior system F/O? How about 17 years to junior system Capt? The boom times of the late 90's and the current boom times that allowed for almost direct entry Captaincies at several carriers has created a somewhat skewed sense of entitlement.

Having said that a 7 year wait for an opportunity for a pay bump other than tenure or COLA is tough (especially if you are the sole breadwinner for a family) and is likely why there is a significant exodus of Jazz FO's to other carriers with greater short term upside earnings potential.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:39 pm

created a somewhat skewed sense of entitlement.

How is wanting to be paid decently a "skewed sense of entitlement?" It used to be that before you got hired at Jazz, you'd probably be a twin turbine captain (paying~$60k a year) and you get hired by a major air carrier, and they start you at $2k above the poverty line for a family of 3, and then you get to wait 7 years to get back to where you were before...flying bigger planes with more responsibility. Doesn't add up to me. Even taking into consideration the ludicrous rationalization of 'you have to take a pay cut to get ahead in aviation.'

whipline · Post by **whipline** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:17 am

If you don't like your wage, vote with your feet. Everyone is hiring so why complain when you can just leave.

Treetops · Post by **Treetops** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:37 am

Inverted2 wrote:WDO= Working Day Off

I get about $750 a month in Perdiems at Jazz. Thats the one spot they at least pay fairly well.

Is that $750 pretty average or is that one of the better months?

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