Australian Testicles

[tcasman]

This is a breath of fresh air compared to ALL Cdn Politicians who would not say s**t if their mouth was full of it.



Prime Minister John Howard - Australia



Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia ." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language a nd our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

[bmc]

Tell us what your real name is and not your user name and then stand behind this line of thinking.

Or is it just politicians that should show they have real balls?

[tcasman]

You are correct sir...the Politically Correct Police would surely seek me out and destroy me. Knowledge and thinking outside the box can be a very dangerous thing these days. It would appear from your negative view of the Australian thought..you are exactly the kind of yuppie...no gender male getting in touch with his fem side that has the Canada turned upside down and silly.........

[tcasman]

Instead of politically correct whinning about me not putting my name in....to somehow imply that I am hiding behind this forum is just plain silly. I think what you find most upsetting is that the Australian Prime Minister and his cabinet is expressing and exercising their right to freedom of speech and thought. I can certainly understand your shock.....it is not the Canadian way to have a difference of opinion any more....if you do they quickly give you a LABEL to stifle you.....REDNECK...WAR MONGER..........BIBLE THUMPER....different labels depending on the issue.

Deal with the ISSUE and get your head out of that dark hole below your waist..not some silly issue of me not putting in my name..........address............place of work...........my dogs name.........and the cigarettes I like to smoke. .... Oh my god.............it just gets worse here...........HE IS ALSO A SMOKER....as well as hiding behind this forum...........THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND HERE...........SO SILLY........some people out there.

[CID]

I guess they better kick out the Christians too. Ever heard of Northern Ireland?

[Rowdy]

Sorta like.. My house.. my rules... don't like em.. Move out!

Pretty effin simple there fellas. You don't want to pay attention to the laws and culture of a country and cause issues.. then go somewhere else.

[bmc]

You are correct sir...the Politically Correct Police would surely seek me out and destroy me. Knowledge and thinking outside the box can be a very dangerous thing these days. It would appear from your negative view of the Australian thought..you are exactly the kind of yuppie...no gender male getting in touch with his fem side that has the Canada turned upside down and silly.........

That's not thinking outside the box. That's thinking inside a very narrow box.

I'm not going to seek you out. I'll let the lads at the Tyrell seek you out.

[bmc]

Sorta like.. My house.. my rules... don't like em.. Move out!

Pretty effin simple there fellas. You don't want to pay attention to the laws and culture of a country and cause issues.. then go somewhere else.

I agree. Fully agree. Pretty simple.

I struggle to know who is challenging these rules in Canada and who we have to stand up to, to make the rules clear.

[niss]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam ... h-law.html

INDEPTH: ISLAM
Shariah law: FAQs
CBC News Online | May 26, 2005



What is Shariah?
The word Shariah means "the path to a watering hole." It denotes an Islamic way of life ? not just a system of criminal justice.

It is a code of living that most Muslims adopt as part of their faith. Some countries formally institute it as the law of the land, enforced by the courts.

However, the way Shariah law is applied from country to country can vary widely.

How did it originate?
According to Muslim scholars, the Prophet Muhammad laid down the laws. Some of the laws are said to be direct commands stated in the Qur'an. Other laws were based on rulings Muhammad is said to have given to cases that occurred during his lifetime. These secondary laws are based on what's called the Sunnah ? the Prophet's words, example and way of life.

One of the major concerns of people critical of Shariah law is that it is subject to interpretation and evolution. There is virtually no formal certification process to designate someone as being qualified to interpret Islamic law.

As it stands today, almost anyone can make rulings as long as they have the appearance of piety and a group of followers.

Why have Shariah law in Canada?
Many Muslims believe that because Canada is a secular country, its secular legal system makes it difficult for them to govern themselves by the personal laws of their own religion. For instance, Canada's marriage and divorce laws differ from Muslim law.

It can be important for a Muslim to be granted a divorce under Muslim law, especially if he or she intends to move to a Muslim country in the future and remarry.

Another concern for some is that if a Muslim dies without a will in Ontario, the estate would be divided according to Ontario law as opposed to Muslim law.

How did Shariah come to be considered in Canadian jurisdictions?
In 1991, Ontario was looking for ways to ease the burdens of a backlogged court system. So the province changed its Arbitration Act to allow "faith-based arbitration" – a system where Muslims, Jews, Catholics and members of other faiths could use the guiding principles of their religions to settle family disputes such as divorce, custody and inheritances outside the court system.

It's voluntary – both parties (a husband and wife) have to agree to go through the process. But once they do, the decisions rendered by the tribunal are binding.


Marion Boyd
The Ontario government has been reviewing its Arbitration Act and on Dec. 20, 2004, it released a report conducted by former attorney general Marion Boyd. Among her 46 recommendations was that:
The Arbitration Act should continue to allow disputes to be arbitrated using religious law, if the safeguards currently prescribed and recommended by this review are observed.

Earlier in the year, the Islamic Institute of Civil Justice said it wanted to set up its own faith-based arbitration panels under the Arbitration Act, based on Shariah law.

The proposal ran into opposition from women's groups, legal organizations and the Muslim Canadian Congress, which all warned that the 1,400-year-old Shariah law does not view women as equal to men.

In her report, Boyd noted that some "participants in the Review fear that the use of arbitration is the beginning of a process whose end goal is a separate political identity for Muslims in Canada, that has not been the experience of other groups who use arbitration."

In May 2005, the Quebec National Assembly unanimously supported a motion to block the use of Shariah law in Quebec courts.

What are the concerns about establishing Shariah law in a Canadian jurisdiction?
The National Association of Women and the Law, the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, and the National Organization of Immigrant and Visible Minority Women of Canada argued that under Shariah law, men and women are not treated equally.

They argued that women fare far worse in divorce, child custody and inheritance matters under Shariah law. For instance, a woman can only inherit half as much as a man can. If a divorced woman remarries, custody of the children from her previous marriage may revert to the children's father.

How would Shariah law apply in Ontario?
First, it's not clear the term "Shariah law" would even be used. Several groups that appeared before Boyd's process of reviewing the Arbitration Act say it's not Shariah law they want to set up but a Muslim Personal/Family Law process which has its roots in Shariah.

The arbitration process as set out in the Arbitration Act is voluntary. Most of the concerns about the creation of "Shariah" tribunals have focused on the fear that Muslim women may feel they are being forced into taking part in a process of binding arbitration according to Muslim family law instead of resolving their disputes through the court system.

In her report, former Ontario attorney general Marion Boyd stressed that any faith-based system would have to conform to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[bmc]

I'm sitting many miles away from Canada and have been for some time. Why do we welcome people into Canada, like a bunch of polite boy scouts, and then get all freaked out when they mysteriously become a sizeable population and want to use the democratic process to work to their advantage?

[gasper]

Welcome to Canada!!!

.... where we have legally murdered (aborted) over 3,000,000 babies (imagine if you will, the lost potential contributions these people could have made to our society & great country); then we turn around and complain that we have a negative growth rate & can't find enough skilled labor & so next we invite the Muslims to immigrate to our shores, and put them on the dole until they get established.

When they are established they send their support to help fight Israel, and send their money to their relatives in Iran, Somalia and Lebanon to help them immigrate to Canada, and they too can organize & further propagate the Muslim message. (... all the while they have little or no intention of assimilating into our Canadian way of life.)

Thanks alot Pierre Trudeau.

[rigpiggy]

The Koran, Talmud, Bible "Old and New", are all based upon certain universal truths, however the translations all come form different points of view. Real simple the Golden Rule and we all learned it is " Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

[bmc]

Welcome to Canada!!!

When they are established they send their support to help fight ARABS, and send their money to their relatives in ISRAEL to help them immigrate to Canada, and they too can organize & further propagate the JEWISH message. (... all the while they have little or no intention of assimilating into our Canadian way of life.)

I changed some of your words. Reread what I wrote and tell me if it too is accurate. I just want to understand how widespread the problem is, that's all. Is is just the smelly Arabs.

[gasper]

Don't be a ding-a-ling bmc. You must live under a rock! Either that or you are making a sick joke. Pick up a newspaper and read what is going on in the middle east before you post such trash.

Israel has been told by it's MUSLIM neighbours that they will soon be driven into the sea, and then do you expect them to not defend themselves?

[niss]

Welcome to Canada!!!

When they are established they send their support to help fight ARABS, and send their money to their relatives in ISRAEL to help them immigrate to Canada, and they too can organize & further propagate the JEWISH message. (... all the while they have little or no intention of assimilating into our Canadian way of life.)

I changed some of your words. Reread what I wrote and tell me if it too is accurate. I just want to understand how widespread the problem is, that's all. Is is just the smelly Arabs.

You do realise though BMC that traditionally of all the peoples coming out of the sandpit it is the Israelis who are usually more willing to assimilate and adopt local customs then many of their arab neighbours.

[bmc]

I'm not singling out Jews here. Insert any country, race, religion or creed.

Gasper...Izzy Asper loves you. Don't dissapoint him by reading alternate news sources or you'll find out there is more than one side to what's going on in the Middle East. Sorry to break it to you. Don't over simplify what's going on.

[niss]

Gasper...Izzy Asper loves you. Don't dissapoint him by reading alternate news sources or you'll find out there is more than one side to what's going on in the Middle East. Sorry to break it to you. Don't over simplify what's going on.

What does it matter? I thought the Jews control the media?

[gasper]

bmc=big muslim crony

bmc hates infidels like gasper!

[niss]

bmc=big muslim crony

bmc hates infidels like gasper!

?!?!

I think thats a bit of a stretch.

[CID]

Isn't there some kind of rule on this forum about racism and spreading hatred?

[JakeYYZ]

Yer so easily shocked you prudey wench. Why don't you get out from behind them doily’s and antimacassars....and them lace curtains for a bit.....get out on Main street after dark...out where 'it' is always hot and moist.....out where the light is always dim and smoky....and you can finally step up to the mic and sing that song in yer heart.

Now give yerself a warm soapy enema....get to bed and stop thinking good thoughts all the time or you'll strangulate the plumbing in yer reproductive system.....one day you'll thank me for the advice......

[CID]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimacassar

I just learned something today. Now if I can only find out what you call that part of your face between your nose and mouth.

[rigpiggy]

Not sure but "fremulum" I think

[xsbank]

The place between the whatnot and the whosis? Taint.

CID, are you female?

[North Shore]

Taint? what about the 'kazif?'