Jazz and 2009
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TenForTwelve
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Jazz and 2009
Didn't want to hijack the other thread, so here it is; what are the chances that the wages will increase for the new hires in the next round of bargaining? Surely Jazz must realize that they need to address the problem of guys leaving left right and centre. A side question, what kind of medical/dental plan do you guys have? Is it any good?
The medical and dental plan is very good. We also have a very good short and long term disability. (although we pay through the nose for it... 
) As for the next contract, its really hard to say what will happen in two years, but rumours are afloat of more money and of trying to get the number of days worked every month lower as well.
) As for the next contract, its really hard to say what will happen in two years, but rumours are afloat of more money and of trying to get the number of days worked every month lower as well.-
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If your last day's posts are you happy, I'd hate to see your posts if they took away your pancakes and syrup.jmad wrote:Duh, im just happy to have a job.
Wages will increase however don't hold your breath for some kind of massive increase. The increase will depend a lot on what happens in 2009 - 2010 with respect to the economy. If things are still booming the pressure will be on for big raises, however if the economy appears to be on the verge of a slowdown, you can bet the company will stall as much as possible until it hits, to lessen the increases.
Heres what I'd like to see change in this order.
But its just my preference as I have only been here for 8 months.
1.- Increase the pension,
2.- Wage increase
3.- Paid for deadheading
4.- Change the credit for 2-1, to 1/12 to 1
Now I know I will get flamed for not having wages on top, but I personally would like to see these things happen, I am more interested in having my future laid out for me and know that I am set in the long run when I retire than have the short term gain.
But its just my preference as I have only been here for 8 months.
1.- Increase the pension,
2.- Wage increase
3.- Paid for deadheading
4.- Change the credit for 2-1, to 1/12 to 1
Now I know I will get flamed for not having wages on top, but I personally would like to see these things happen, I am more interested in having my future laid out for me and know that I am set in the long run when I retire than have the short term gain.
Jmad, I'm just passing on what a good friend of mine who happens to be on the LEC told me.
Flyinhigh, higher wages would always be nice, but I'd love to see the change in credit as well. It would definitely cut down on the 3-4 hr sits we sometimes have between flights. Keep your fingers crossed
Flyinhigh, higher wages would always be nice, but I'd love to see the change in credit as well. It would definitely cut down on the 3-4 hr sits we sometimes have between flights. Keep your fingers crossed
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North Shore
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Are higher wages realistic, though? Say, $45k to start, and $5k a year until $70k in the right? What does the company then say to the bag chuckers/wrench benders/ biscuit shooters when they want comparative raises?
Say, what's that mountain goat doing up here in the mist?
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Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.
Happiness is V1 at Thompson!
Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.
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if my recent tentative contract at the railway is any indication airline pilots will not get anything spectacular
* the TA gives us uplift in pay of 16-21% over 5 years 3,4,3,3,3 with some local yard perks for the 21% (inflation is 2.5% this year and rising)
* pension indexed to 1.8%
now we gave up
* now have a 10% co pay on health benefits
* new hires as of 2008 do not get certain train length top up payments costing $$$$$ (aka B level pay scale)
The railways make in around a BILLION profit each year - and we had settled for this terrible TA do you think AC or Jazz is going to give you any top up in any department without any significant concessions. They'll whipsaw you both to death. They pattern bargained us to DEATH
* the TA gives us uplift in pay of 16-21% over 5 years 3,4,3,3,3 with some local yard perks for the 21% (inflation is 2.5% this year and rising)
* pension indexed to 1.8%
now we gave up
* now have a 10% co pay on health benefits
* new hires as of 2008 do not get certain train length top up payments costing $$$$$ (aka B level pay scale)
The railways make in around a BILLION profit each year - and we had settled for this terrible TA do you think AC or Jazz is going to give you any top up in any department without any significant concessions. They'll whipsaw you both to death. They pattern bargained us to DEATH
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Do Jazz guys get half credit for deadheading or nothing at all?flyinhigh wrote:Heres what I'd like to see change in this order.
But its just my preference as I have only been here for 8 months.
1.- Increase the pension,
2.- Wage increase
3.- Paid for deadheading
4.- Change the credit for 2-1, to 1/12 to 1
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Flying Low
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After CCAA we get nothing for deadheading...this obviously has to change on the next contract.
We are paid the highest of
-a minimum credit of 4:30
-the planned credit
-actual credit
-half the duty day
One of the other big problems we have right now is how much the employees pay for their benefit package. Again, another concession from CCAA. Having the company pay more of this cost would equate to an after tax raise and would be more significant than raising our salaries but an equal amount.
We are paid the highest of
-a minimum credit of 4:30
-the planned credit
-actual credit
-half the duty day
One of the other big problems we have right now is how much the employees pay for their benefit package. Again, another concession from CCAA. Having the company pay more of this cost would equate to an after tax raise and would be more significant than raising our salaries but an equal amount.
"The ability to ditch an airplane in the Hudson does not qualify a pilot for a pay raise. The ability to get the pilots, with this ability, to work for 30% or 40% pay cuts qualifies those in management for millions in bonuses."
I spoke to a lead the other day in YYZ who made over 90 grand last year with overtime. I think we should be the ones wanting comparative wages.North Shore wrote:Are higher wages realistic, though? Say, $45k to start, and $5k a year until $70k in the right? What does the company then say to the bag chuckers/wrench benders/ biscuit shooters when they want comparative raises?
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genetic jack hammer
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BTW, just out of curiosity, how long did you wait off the gate?yycguy wrote:I spoke to a lead the other day in YYZ who made over 90 grand last year with overtime. I think we should be the ones wanting comparative wages.North Shore wrote:Are higher wages realistic, though? Say, $45k to start, and $5k a year until $70k in the right? What does the company then say to the bag chuckers/wrench benders/ biscuit shooters when they want comparative raises?
I know this has been hashed through on previous forums...jazzpilot wrote:Ground handlers making 90000, no wonder AC had 10 billion in debt.
But the guys that are able to make $90,000 on the ramp are few and far between. Only the oldtimers (top pay tier, lead pay) working MAX OT on days off are able to come close to that amount. There are MANY different payscales on the ramp at AC....newhires start at UNDER $10 an hour nowadays just like the WestJet rampies....I can tell you that after 11 years of service I make less than $16 an hour before taxes.
Yes, some ramprats are overpaid. Lazy, etc.
Given the horrid working conditions, lack of equipment, lack of training, and the years of abuse that the body takes I think it's actually safe to say that most ramprats are underpaid....
...just like most of the pilots in the AC family!
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Hey JZA,
I wasn't trying trash the ground handlers, and I know that $10/ hr starting wages in YYC, YVR or YYZ might as well come with food stamps. I did that job once and those that make a career out of it deserve to be able to make a livable wage to raise a family, just like the rest of us.
I was just passing on what I had heard about the top paid guys who manage to do considerably better than probably 70% of Jazz pilots.
I wasn't trying trash the ground handlers, and I know that $10/ hr starting wages in YYC, YVR or YYZ might as well come with food stamps. I did that job once and those that make a career out of it deserve to be able to make a livable wage to raise a family, just like the rest of us.
I was just passing on what I had heard about the top paid guys who manage to do considerably better than probably 70% of Jazz pilots.
This makes me laugh.
Just because somebody decides to make a "career" out of some job, doesn't mean they "deserve" a high enough wage to raise a family.
When I report for my next fry shift at McD.'s I'll be sure to tell them I DESERVE a big raise. Won't anybody think of the children!!
z.
Just because somebody decides to make a "career" out of some job, doesn't mean they "deserve" a high enough wage to raise a family.
When I report for my next fry shift at McD.'s I'll be sure to tell them I DESERVE a big raise. Won't anybody think of the children!!
z.
