Approach Ban - I don't get it.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:45 pm

Station60, your opinion is too logical and makes too much sense - it will never work in Canada.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:49 pm

Funny thing is, I never considered this to be "rocket science"?

Liquid Charlie · Post by **Liquid Charlie** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:39 pm

question -- when was the last time anyone did an NDB approach without a GPS

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:54 pm

I did....on a Aztec yesterday....

bobcaygeon · Post by **bobcaygeon** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:57 pm

GPS???

IFR or VFR GPS???IFR enroute or approach approved?? moving map display or old style???? actually trained & certified to do GPS approaches or just doing it anyway cause it's safer??? Strait in or circling??

GPS is a great tool but it should be used properly/legally. It isn't a great effort to actually train your pilots to the legal standard is it???

Liquid Charlie · Post by **Liquid Charlie** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:24 pm

who cares it lines you up with the centre line every time

-- and for the aztec driver -- why not -- don't have one installed -- then I can understand -- but if u have -- not using all the tools -- mmmmm -- doesn't matter if it's IFR/approach certified it can still be used as a reference tool -- nothing illegal about that and if you refuse to use it because you think it's illegal well that doesn't make sense either -- use all the tools -- simple

home brew approaches -- how the hell do you think one finds a runway in the arctic when there are no ground based approach aides -- having said that it's all about "local" knowledge and terrain familiarity -- first thing on an ice strip was to get threshold coordinates - confirms runway length and direction -- build a fix that rolls you out on final -- far safer than hanging your head out circling -- in fact circling approaches should be banned --

There is "legal" then there is common sense -- just because you perceive something as "being legal" doesn't necessarily mean it's safe --

Schlem · Post by **Schlem** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:48 pm

Liquid Charlie wrote:question -- when was the last time anyone did an NDB approach without a GPS

In the sim!

Liquid Charlie · Post by **Liquid Charlie** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:10 pm

good one -- come to think of it -- me too--

station60 · Post by **station60** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:30 am

Liquid Charlie wrote:question -- when was the last time anyone did an NDB approach without a GPS :smt043

I do them all the time... although I suppose in realllyyyyy bad wx I line up on centerline with the aid of the GPS, you're right.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:01 am

I do them all the time... although I suppose in realllyyyyy bad wx I line up on centerline with the aid of the GPS, you're right.

Is a GPS more accurate than the ADF for lining up on the centerline?

Liquid Charlie · Post by **Liquid Charlie** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:06 am

good question -- I doubt it when the runway is 150' long and 10000' wide --

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:19 am

Another question, on trans oceanic flights would you rather use the HF radio or a Satellite phone?

And way out on the ocean would the GPS be better for staying on track than using the ADF?

Big Pistons Forever · Post by **Big Pistons Forever** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:38 am

Liquid Charlie wrote:question -- when was the last time anyone did an NDB approach without a GPS

Mar 8 1995, I checked my logbook

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:50 am

....by the way hows things on the north shore these days?

Not bad Cat. I'm getting used to this retirement shit.

station60 · Post by **station60** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:07 pm

Cat Driver wrote:Another question, on trans oceanic flights would you rather use the HF radio or a Satellite phone?

And way out on the ocean would the GPS be better for staying on track than using the ADF?

What NDB's are you using way out in the Ocean? just curious.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:54 pm

What NDB's are you using way out in the Ocean? just curious.

There are many strong NDB's that can be received during ocean crossings the last one I used just for the hell of it was on the southern tip of Greenland and we got it with no problem just out of Iceland.

Thirty or forty years ago the NDB's were part of over ocean navigation, GPS has changed all of that.