Another possible public relations problem for the RCMP?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:12 pm

The Chilliwack RCMP had a problem arresting another person in BC yesterday and had to pepper spray, Tazer and club him into submission.

The news media are saying his condition has gone from serious to " extremely critical ".

BC seems to have a lot of violent people that need to be subdued.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:39 pm

God damm Hippies!!!!!

Snowgoose · Post by **Snowgoose** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:49 pm

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:25 pm

BC seems to have a lot of violent people that need to be subdued.

It must be all the moca latte's they drink out there.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:00 pm

You're right, it's probably the coffee. Probably nothing to do with the rates of drug abuse. Yeah, more than likely the coffee...

Pratt · Post by **Pratt** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:28 pm

A neighbour was saying there was an ugly case in Kelowna last week involving a 70 someting year old guy who was tasered. Anybody know the details of that one?

Widow · Post by **Widow** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:39 pm

Taser-wielding RCMP officer 'like kid with new toy,' woman says
'He couldn't wait to use it' wife claims of Mountie who shocked her husband, 68
Last Updated: Thursday, November 8, 2007 | 10:52 PM ET
CBC News

John Peters, 68, and his wife Anne were delivering a free newspaper on Monday morning when they double-parked along a downtown Kelowna street, prompting a police car to pull up beside them.

The officer tried to write a ticket, but John Peters objected and drove off, his wife said.

Peters realized this was a bad idea, so he pulled over a block away and got out of the vehicle, she said.

After the officer arrived he jolted him two times with a Taser, John Peters said, adding that he had raised his arm to defend himself.

"I was protecting myself, because I'm blind in this eye," Peters told CBC News on Thursday. "I was protecting myself from his vicious advance."

Anne Peters said she had tried to tell the officer her husband suffers a neurological disorder and was unable to comprehend language when he's flustered.

The officer didn't listen, she said, and shocked her husband with the Taser.

"The police officer was like a kid with a new toy. He couldn't wait to use it."

"Well, I was so shocked I couldn't believe it. He tried to fight him off, right? But he Tasered him anyways — twice."

Kelowna RCMP spokesman Sgt. Terry McLachlan said the Peters have not filed a formal complaint, but the superintendent has ordered a review of the incident.

"It's prudent on his part to order an administrative review to make sure the policy was conformed with, and there was proper usage," McLachlan said on Thursday.

John Peters is facing three charges, including resisting arrest and obstructing and assaulting a police officer.

www.cbc.ca

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:58 pm

John Peters is facing three charges, including resisting arrest and obstructing and assaulting a police officer.

That otta do it, we can't have senior citizens parking in the wrong place and then scaring these poor RCMP officers so bad they fear for their lives...

...fuc.in true the taser is the only answer when dealing with these dangerous criminals.

Now I do believe that there should be an age limit on who they can taser....had the guy been 98 rather than 68 then the cop may not have been so fearful.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:45 pm

Humm… wow… hey has anyone built a portable hand held concealable LRAD unit yet? As far as I can tell it wouldn’t be considered a weapon IE quite valid for self defense from an enraged maniac officer…

PS folks I think its about time we all start installing surveillance equipment on our cars and houses, specifically something the live streams data off site... I also think im going to buy a new cell phone with a better camera and a faster uplink speed...

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:49 am

...fuc.in true the taser is the only answer when dealing with these dangerous criminals.

John Peters shows the cuts and scrapes to his hand
from the handcuffs used on him by Kelowna RCMP
officers after the 68-year-old subdued by a Taser gun
for double parking on a downtown street.

He looks pretty shifty to me.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:34 am

This is bizarre - there must be a lot of rage in the Mounties - why are they tasering an old fart for double-parking?

That means I can have the dorks who stop in front of the library nuked, the doorknobs who stop in bus zones batoned and the Handicapped zone violators can be killed! Hey think what we can have done to those who pass on the right? Hanging? Summary execution? Firing squad? Maybe 4 zots from a taser for those who dawdle in the left turn lane?

This might not be all bad!

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:43 am

mellow_pilot wrote:You're right, it's probably the coffee. Probably nothing to do with the rates of drug abuse. Yeah, more than likely the coffee...

So you're saying a bunch of POT smokers need to be tazered? Maybe the Meth kids, but they're not the ones being zapped.

stl

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:22 am

Anyone besides me get the feeling that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with regard to the use of unnecessary force when dealing with the public by " SOME " RCMP members?

Anyone else get the feeling that the problem lies in the upper management of the RCMP?

Would it make more sense to have the upper management address the problem and correct it rather than have public relations people trained in the use of gobbldy gook word salading lying to the public?

Bookem Lou · Post by **Bookem Lou** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:43 am

So you guys are condemning the RCMP over these incidents when you've only heard one side of the story. Yes the YVR incident was bullshit and the officers should be hung for that one. This Kelowna guy, driving away from where he was going to be ticketed was a very bad idea and getting out of his car after stopping was an even worse one. What happened after that is anyones guess but it very likely didn't go the way Mr. Peters so innocently described. I've visited a prison before. I've never met so many innocent people in my life.

Xsbank, don't forget the old folks who drive really slow in the fast lane. I'd invent a new capital punishment method for them. Death by CARS. Reading the regs until you have no desire to live anymore.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:01 am

Bookem Lou::

Interesting handle you have.

I take it you support the RCMP management putting forward trained puppets spewing garbage words that are meant to confuse the ordinary person not educated in bureaucrat speak?

And to make it even worse the puppet is on prime time TV lying about the issue?

Bookem Lou · Post by **Bookem Lou** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:06 am

Never said a thing about RCMP management Cat. My point of the argument was that people are making judgements based on one side of the story. I am not and never have been a member of the RCMP or any other police service. The name came from the Simpsons

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:28 am

getting out of his car after stopping was an even worse one.

So it's a law you can't get out of your car? I haven't found this in the highway traffic act.

When I see the lites in my rearview mirror, I don't pull over immediately I pull over when it's safe to do so. This is more for the officers safety and mine.
In this case, the guys going to get a ticket for double parking. I presume the cop car is double parked too. Why not drive to a safer location to get the ticket instead of two cars impeding traffic. As for getting out of the car and talking eye to eye with an officer what's wrong with that? There is no law against it.

Bookem Lou · Post by **Bookem Lou** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:36 am

Common sense? It may not be illegal but it sure is stupid.

How not to get your ass kicked by the police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqubkNZxwfU

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:41 am

Bookem Lou wrote:Common sense? It may not be illegal but it sure is stupid.

What's stupid about it?
http://www.flexyourrights.org/traffic_stop_scenario

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:43 am

Common sense? It may not be illegal but it sure is stupid.

Why is it stupid?

Bookem Lou · Post by **Bookem Lou** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:53 am

Well put yourself in their shoes. You never know what is going to happen at the next person you pull over. Someone you don't know jumps out of their car and walks towards you. By all means, the next time you get pulled over, get out and walk towards the back. Let me know how it goes. By the way, your website just backed up what i'm saying and went one further by saying stay in the car with your hands on the wheel.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:03 pm

Did you view the movie clip? It says get out of your car and lock the doors. Watch what happens when they stay in the car. The cop stomps all aver their civil rights. Watch the clips.

Bookem Lou · Post by **Bookem Lou** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:04 pm

A symptom of living in the north means I'm on dial up internet.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:08 pm

Driving Rain:

You and I are missing the point here.

In Canada it would seem that you are a threat to the police unless you sit in your car with your hands clearly visible on the steering wheel, if you get out of your car and get tasered by a cop you fuc.in deserved it.

Does it remind you of the word Gestapo?

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:11 pm

Cat, You want to know the real reason the cops want you to remain in your car?
People sitting in a car represent a greater danger to an officer because there could be weapons hiddin it. Police use this pretext to search a vehical. They have every right to be safe. I think we can all agree with that.
If you are no longer in the car and the car is locked that danger is gone. Police often shout for you to remain in your car. They make it sound like an order... why? They want to search your car.
If the vehical is locked the danger of a hidden weapon in it is gone for that moment. If they decide to search anyway in all likelyhood the evidence would be thrown out because without a warrant it is now an illegal search.
I've been stopped a couple of times because I was driving the exact speed limit. Apparantly drug smugglers use this ploy thinking the cops won't stop them. In fact it peeks their interest.