carson

lyncher · Post by **lyncher** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:43 pm

any info on these guys? i used the search and it came up with something from may. just wondering about the usual pay and sched for capts and f/os.

lyncher · Post by **lyncher** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:18 am

thanks for the pms guys, seems like this is a company to run away from.

saucer_driver · Post by **saucer_driver** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:01 am

Care to share some details?

SSA · Post by **SSA** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:49 am

I am also interested in any details PM me if possible

Krashman · Post by **Krashman** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:51 pm

Me too! Gimme gimme gimme!

no I'm serious...

Cessna_Crane · Post by **Cessna_Crane** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:40 pm

If people are dishing the dirt privately that's fine, I wouldn't mind hearing the scoop too. Might save me from applying.

shower of sparks · Post by **shower of sparks** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:56 pm

why don't you post the "bad stuff" for all to see instead of pm-ing?

sos

privateer · Post by **privateer** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:14 am

you like KD? then you will love a job at carson.

V1 · Post by V1 » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:52 pm

I've been seeing a lot of CADORS on the metro crews lately.
I also saw a carson metro taxi onto the active runway in YLW and quickly turn around.
I heard starting pay for FO is 19000, and you need to sign a 2 year bond?
Supposedly Carson will go after you if you quite before that?
I was suprised to see the 16 day work month, i have heard it's 5 days a week, 17 hour days and they don't provide rooms for crew rest.

Some of this is 2nd hand knowledge, so please feel free to tell me different.

tired of the ground · Post by **tired of the ground** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:23 pm

I'd like to hear the CPT pay, how much you fly and any "Extra" duties.

northernpilot · Post by **northernpilot** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:27 pm

V1 wrote:I've been seeing a lot of CADORS on the metro crews lately.

It was some really minor issues regarding radio calls. It's something that many guys have (or haven't) been doing for years. It was very specific situations, and corrective action has been taken.

V1 wrote:I also saw a carson metro taxi onto the active runway in YLW and quickly turn around.

what does that mean?

V1 wrote:I heard starting pay for FO is 19000, and you need to sign a 2 year bond?

Correct. Per diems on top of that, though....another 7200 per year, not taxed. so really, if you think about it, gross up the 7200, the total is around 29K pre tax. Still, not great, though. agreed.

V1 wrote:Supposedly Carson will go after you if you quite before that?

if you guit after 4 months, yes, that's probably true....that's exactly why there is a bond there. If you don't like the job, don't take it.

V1 wrote:17 hour days and they don't provide rooms for crew rest.

Yeah, that sounds realistic....you guys believe everything you're told? There are crew rest facilities...either crew house or hotel, depends on location. Also, crew car or taxi cab provided. And the crew cars are nice , not shitboxes. they are long duty days, but usually more like 14. Long rest in the middle, though, and if you're smart, you'll rest, go to the gym, whatever. It's what you make of it.

V1 wrote:Some of this is 2nd hand knowledge, so please feel free to tell me different.

Look. it's not the greatest job in the world. But, talk to the guys working there, no ones treating like a career. it's a stepping stone and everyone knows that. If you go there with 1000 hours or so, you'll be left seat in less than a year. That's pretty good.

northernpilot · Post by **northernpilot** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:29 pm

tired of the ground wrote:I'd like to hear the CPT pay, how much you fly and any "Extra" duties.

CPT Pay 39K plus 7200 per diems.
year 2 43K plus 7200 per diems.

extra duties are minimal. you fly 80-100 hours per month.

ditshisturber · Post by **ditshisturber** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:33 pm

V1 wrote:I've been seeing a lot of CADORS on the metro crews lately.
I also saw a carson metro taxi onto the active runway in YLW and quickly turn around.
I heard starting pay for FO is 19000, and you need to sign a 2 year bond?
Supposedly Carson will go after you if you quite before that?
I was suprised to see the 16 day work month, i have heard it's 5 days a week, 17 hour days and they don't provide rooms for crew rest.

Some of this is 2nd hand knowledge, so please feel free to tell me different.

With lower time and less experienced crews occupying the seats, you're bound to have a lot of folks "learning by doing". The Metro can be a tough reality check for those coming from smaller and more forgiving aircraft. If you fail to respect it, it can (and will) bite you.

Last time I heard, the YVR crews have crew rooms. Hotel rooms in YYD, YXS, YXJ, and YCG come to mind. Can't say much about the pay, but you will log a ton of twin turbine time and learn a lot about yourself and how much you really want to be in this game.

As for training bonds: if you're going to sign one, then YOU should honour it. It really sucks for folks to blindly sign one and try to weasel their way out afterwards. Be accountable for YOUR actions.

joe to go · Post by **joe to go** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:03 pm

Well if you college brats are afraid of working hard and gaining valuable experience, then don't apply. The metro is probably too much plane for you anyways, unless of course you are one of those Ray Ban Aviator wearing super pilots!!!

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:39 pm

Hope the passengers don't know

ditshisturber · Post by **ditshisturber** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:29 pm

Rudder Bug wrote:Hope the passengers don't know

Boxes don't complain...

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:22 pm

You can't possibly say that per diems are part of the pay? About $30.00 per day? Is that for 2 or 3 meals? How, exactly, is a per diem considered pay? I know that you have to do these kinds of jobs to get a start, but don't BS the crowd here, just say up front how crappy the pay is and deal with it.

joe to go · Post by **joe to go** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:46 pm

Ok then..so per diem's are not pay, Well the equivelant of $7000 per diem a year is probably $12,000 before taxes so.......a new FO is paid $31,000 a year. Not bad for a brand new FO with 250 hours. I agree that you should never count per diem as pay, but money is money.

ditshisturber · Post by **ditshisturber** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:54 am

Ultimately, you can slice the pay/per diems any way you like... the decision to take the job will be up to the individual.

Some companies don't even pay a per diem, so take whatever has been said with a grain of salt.

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:04 am

northernpilot wrote:
tired of the ground wrote:I'd like to hear the CPT pay, how much you fly and any "Extra" duties.
CPT Pay 39K plus 7200 per diems.
year 2 43K plus 7200 per diems.

extra duties are minimal. you fly 80-100 hours per month.

PER DIEMS ARE NOT PAY....

How many times do you people need to be told that????

stl

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:29 am

But, per diems are compensation. If you do not recieve per diems you are allowed a tax deduction on your return.. I would rather take the per diem as they are usually better than the amount allowed by CCRA.

I'm sure a lot of the naysayers are ex Navair or Regency yahoos who wish that they had it so good. I do remember some of the Navair cars at bases that were not quite what one would drive at home. Not sure if Regency even had any.

For a 250 hr guy/gal, not a bad gig as an F/O, for a 1000 hour person, how much better time can you get than P1 twin turbine?

BTW for those of you looking at AC or WJ, you will have to take a cut in pay to go there from here.

IMHO

privateer · Post by **privateer** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:46 am

I heard that Carson is going to be the next Navair!

V1 · Post by V1 » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:14 am

All my info was from people working at Carson but thanks for the clarification.

I believe you can do whatever you feel is best for yourself. If you can afford to do it, and it's a good oppurtunity, then i say go for it.

My main concern with any opertator is the lack in experience (which i know is becoming more of an issue every day). When i am reading CADORS every time they come out from this operation, and then actually seeing it visibly, it does concern me. Metro 2's aren't the most forgiving aircraft either.

northernpilot · Post by **northernpilot** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:31 pm

xsbank wrote:You can't possibly say that per diems are part of the pay? About $30.00 per day? Is that for 2 or 3 meals? How, exactly, is a per diem considered pay? I know that you have to do these kinds of jobs to get a start, but don't BS the crowd here, just say up front how crappy the pay is and deal with it.

When you are home every night, and you can bring food from home, then I consider per diems to be pay. I'd rather bring healthy food from home anyways, rather than eating in Timmy's, or some greasy spoon. Eating in restaurants becomes old very quickly.

If I was overnighting regularly, i wouldn't consider per diems part of pay.....when you are home every night, then per diems are supplementing me spending money on my own home cooked food, so I consider it to be like pay.

STL: you're taking a very narrow view of perdiems. I agree....REQUIRED per diems are not pay. But when you are working a day job, most people bring food from home, so it is like pay. Like I said, when I overnight, I don't consider per diems part of pay...and in the case of Carson, if you do overnight, you get higher per diem for that day. Some operators structure their pay with a portion of it labeled as per diems, because it is better for everyone...it's a tax deduction for the company, it's tax free for the employee...everyone wins. It's still compensation. Step back and look at the big picture....in some cases, per diems are just straight pay with a different name.

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:38 pm

How much do there King Air 350 guys get?