For the environment debaters

[flyinphil]

Don't know if this has been posted but it is an intersting arguement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI

[canwhitewolf]

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[Rockie]

the start of another view viewpoint

(dont get me started lol)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRXrMRaAv7k the original authored video of this short version is on you tube

This term global warming has become a religion of sorts and being forced unto an unknowing ill-informed populace for many reasons, not many of which are truthful from any perspective.

What the government of Canada is doing is just a waste of time,and will solve nothing, carbon caps /carbon trading etc is no way to solve this. That is just a way to keep corptocracy doing business and making milllions.

This is a political activists movement and is going to be a pain in the butt for everyone except the GLOBALISTS and big business!.

Of course there is climate change, this is planet earth and flies through space at 25000 miles per hour being exposed to solar FLARES and activities from space, and indeed at this time solar flares stronger are than they have been in 1000 years,we have volcanoes that put out more CO2 in seconds than all the cars -planes- trains and so on on the planet since they were invented, we have major forest fires etc.

CO2 emissions could be as little as .057/1000 of the whole changing climate problem.. we are treating CO2 emissions as the complete problem and its all BS and unscientific, and this straussian view and action is going to cause great problems for Canada and its people,
we do have a problem with climate change for sure but the present view and action is useless essentially.

The banning of incandescent bulbs for example...

it is well known that fluorescent bulbs CAUSE ILLNESS! cause children hyperactivity problems as well...we live in a northern climate and canadians dont get enough vitamin D most times..these fluorescent bulbs cut the light spectrum off before purple and do not give proper light...so canadians are going to get sicker with this stupid idea, and Multiple sclerosis, anxiety states etc will accelerate, and this will cause health care costs to rise not fall! let alone they cause a major deadly "waste hazard" problem of mercury disposal.

IT almost seems like the world is being run by insane people with insane ideas sometimes.

We need some truth in the media, not just reporting what Governments want to use them for. which is often and most times dis-information.

Not one day will go by for several years now without being bombarded by untruths about global warming,

Shutting down our cars if we are going to be idling for more than 10 secs is another Lie...to shut down a car and restart it takes more fuel than idling it because it takes a much richer mixture and throtlle setting to restart it and so on, it also wears out more starters and batteries and that takes more corporate production of green house gases to make new batteries and starters...Its all un-science and BS

Cant we get any truth somewhere...what about all the undersea volcanoes putting out 2150 degrees and warming the oceans and causing REAL problems..what can we do about that?

I could go on for weeks - but wont LOL...just wanted to get my .02 cents in

this isnt a direct quote but the man who started the weather channel has said something along these lines...

If global warming is a 100 story building then CO2 emissions are the equivalent of the linoleum on the first floor

of all things ask what it is of itself...lotsa info out there

You need to tell somebody about this right away. Thousands of scientists are wrong and are wasting their time.

[xsbank]

The first person to quit their flying job because they feel guilty about how much fuel they burn and how much CO2 they spew wins a prize.

[flyinphil]

4 years, 9 months and 3 days I will quit my job and never look back or up again!

[canwhitewolf]

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[Walker]

lol, So I was researching a paper on realist vs Marxist, vs libralist addressing of cliimate change and stumbled upon a Google ad-words link to:

http://eteam.ncpa.org/issues/?c=global-warming


Surprise surprise they are from Dallas, and "GASP" have an office in Washington... Im 100% certain there is NO POSSIBLE way could be a lobby organization.... NO WAY...

PS: any one here seen "thank you for smoking?"

[canwhitewolf]

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[Walker]

Yes global cooling…. Please do tell dear friend; where is this mystical evidence? Is is located on a website run by the same type of people who tell us the world is 6000 years old?
From Michael Chriton… That’s a reliable source, I would suggest you do some follow up on the study he quotes in his book. This is why we have something called the “peer review process”

[canwhitewolf]

Crichton graduated summa cum laude from Harvard College, received his MD from Harvard Medical School, and was a postdoctoral fellow at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, researching public policy with Jacob Bronowski. He has taught courses in anthropology at Cambridge University and writing at MIT. Crichton's 2004 bestseller, State of Fear, acknowledged the world was growing warmer, but challenged extreme anthropogenic warming scenarios. He predicted future warming at 0.8 degrees C. (His conclusions have been widely misstated.)
Crichton has won an Emmy, a Peabody, and a Writer's Guild of America Award


thats not too shaby

[Rockie]

Crichton graduated summa cum laude from Harvard College, received his MD from Harvard Medical School, and was a postdoctoral fellow at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, researching public policy with Jacob Bronowski. He has taught courses in anthropology at Cambridge University and writing at MIT. Crichton's 2004 bestseller, State of Fear, acknowledged the world was growing warmer, but challenged extreme anthropogenic warming scenarios. He predicted future warming at 0.8 degrees C. (His conclusions have been widely misstated.)
Crichton has won an Emmy, a Peabody, and a Writer's Guild of America Award


thats not too shaby

I read his book and enjoyed it for what it was, a work of fiction used to promote his views of global warming. I agree that he is a pretty smart and talented guy but he has no credentials as a climatologist and you must keep that in mind.

[canwhitewolf]

Crichton graduated summa cum laude from Harvard College, received his MD from Harvard Medical School, and was a postdoctoral fellow at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, researching public policy with Jacob Bronowski. He has taught courses in anthropology at Cambridge University and writing at MIT. Crichton's 2004 bestseller, State of Fear, acknowledged the world was growing warmer, but challenged extreme anthropogenic warming scenarios. He predicted future warming at 0.8 degrees C. (His conclusions have been widely misstated.)
Crichton has won an Emmy, a Peabody, and a Writer's Guild of America Award


thats not too shaby

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I read his book and enjoyed it for what it was, a work of fiction used to promote his views of global warming. I agree that he is a pretty smart and talented guy but he has no credentials as a climatologist and you must keep that in mind.

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yes of course I forgot Al Gore and his gloabaloney and the IPCC are the experts

I dont think so

[canwhitewolf]

Yes global cooling…. Please do tell dear friend; where is this mystical evidence? Is is located on a website run by the same type of people who tell us the world is 6000 years old?
From Michael Chriton… That’s a reliable source, I would suggest you do some follow up on the study he quotes in his book. This is why we have something called the “peer review process”

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the "peer review" process is underway and that data will not support the facts of what being said by gore and the IPCC

questioning it all makes one a denier and that sure isnt liked by the nwo of things

[Walker]

Yes global cooling…. Please do tell dear friend; where is this mystical evidence? Is is located on a website run by the same type of people who tell us the world is 6000 years old?
From Michael Chriton… That’s a reliable source, I would suggest you do some follow up on the study he quotes in his book. This is why we have something called the “peer review process”

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the "peer review" process is underway and that data will not support the facts of what being said by gore and the IPCC

questioning it all makes one a denier and that sure isnt liked by the nwo of things

Oh? Really? ok then I guess you must be right... my bad, sorry...

[Four1oh]

canwhitewolf, it's sure hard to read a thread where one side of the debate delete's his own comments...

[canwhitewolf]

Yes global cooling…. Please do tell dear friend; where is this mystical evidence? Is is located on a website run by the same type of people who tell us the world is 6000 years old?
From Michael Chriton… That’s a reliable source, I would suggest you do some follow up on the study he quotes in his book. This is why we have something called the “peer review process”

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the "peer review" process is underway and that data will not support the facts of what being said by gore and the IPCC

questioning it all makes one a denier and that sure isnt liked by the nwo of things

Oh? Really? ok then I guess you must be right... my bad, sorry...

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no i dont mean that I am right, but its important to "get it right", because if we treat the wrong problem -the problem continues and this is indeed a severe problem that needs addressing, i tried to present an alternative view just for the purposes of basic thinking, about-

"how we are all being brainwashed",... and to get people to do some research themselves about alterrnative viewpoints and see if it is indeed all truthful...which it isn't.

that was my intent

[Walker]

he was spouting off some rhetoric about how there is no such thing as global warming, really the world has been getting colder, and bla bla bla evidence this, evidence that and the other 98% of the planet was full of shit and something about global warming be a religion because Cheriton is super awesome...

[canwhitewolf]

he was spouting off some rhetoric about how there is no such thing as global warming, really the world has been getting colder, and bla bla bla evidence this, evidence that and the other 98% of the planet was full of shit and something about global warming be a religion because Cheriton is super awesome...

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just do a little research on your own and you will find some alternaive views,
its important because if we dont get it right, who knows what the end result will be

blasting away at me solves nothing, I am not the phd/phd's who provide the alternaitve views i am the one presenting them for discussion, thought it would be of interest but obviously not

this is obviously not a place for any discussion on this so this is my last post

[Walker]

I do agree, this is something we have to be sure that we get right! However I think you would be hard pressed to find evidence of global cooling, as so far as I am aware all the true scientific evidence points quite clearly to the opposite. Posting links to propaganda videos funded by oil, although I do not feel is wrong, is in my mind far from being evidence. Furthermore launching into a tirade restating that climate change is a religion and that the IPCC has no idea what they are doing, is in my mind somewhat asinine unless you can come up with some evidence, not simply stating “just do a little research on your own.” I have been doing a “little” research for the past month, I am doing a term paper on the economics of political expediency on climate change. And I will tell you, not once have I found a single academic article countering the mainstream beliefs on this. There are a handful that suggest CO2 may not be as large of a factor as anticipated, however no one in the “real” (excluding people who are paid to say things) scientific community as far as I have been able to find are suggesting that climate change is not real. And once again out of the MANY articles iv gone through none are suggesting the world is getting colder.

If you wish to engage in a discussion, then by all means please do so! But, I would put forth so far as any of your posts that I read, none contained any academic articles supporting your train of thought (and by all means if they are out there PLEASE bring them forward! (I am NOT being facetious on this particular matter.))

As a formatting comment, it is generally not considered proper etiquette to delete posts in a discussion unless VERY extenuating circumstances apply. It is discourteous to other readers, posters engaged in the discussion, and our ever growing army of lurkers.

I would encourage you to stay and engage in the continuing discourse, and I do apologies for being rude, it was uncalled for and I personally try and make a point to be polite irregardless of what the discussion is. That being said this is also (in my mind) a place to poke a little fun here and their at people but if you feel it went over the line, I am sorry.



For Prosperity:

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the "peer review" process is underway and that data will not support the facts of what being said by gore and the IPCC

questioning it all makes one a denier and that sure isnt liked by the nwo of things

Oh? Really? ok then I guess you must be right... my bad, sorry...

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no i dont mean that I am right, but its important to "get it right", because if we treat the wrong problem -the problem continues and this is indeed a severe problem that needs addressing, i tried to present an alternative view just for the purposes of basic thinking, about-

"how we are all being brainwashed",... and to get people to do some research themselves about alterrnative viewpoints and see if it is indeed all truthful...which it isn't.

that was my intent

Note: Just to clear things up so we are both on the same page here is a vreif description on just what I mean when I say peer review. I know its a wiki, but it shall have to do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

Now if someone is looking at IPCC data and has an issue with it, this is somewhat of a different story as these reports would generally be published as white papers and as such the refereeing process is different. But if you know of someone credible who is calling foul on the data sets, id love to see it!

[corporate joe]

Also, remember that individuals come and go, so you need to look at what reputable institutions have to say. These institutions have a reputation to uphold, reputation that took decades to build, and was built mainly because of their track record of being right. An institution has lot more to lose than an individual if it is wrong, so the statements made are usually well thought of, backed up with data and very prudent. All major reputable scientific organizations are in tune at the moment and they all have the same message.

[Rockie]

Crichton graduated summa cum laude from Harvard College, received his MD from Harvard Medical School, and was a postdoctoral fellow at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, researching public policy with Jacob Bronowski. He has taught courses in anthropology at Cambridge University and writing at MIT. Crichton's 2004 bestseller, State of Fear, acknowledged the world was growing warmer, but challenged extreme anthropogenic warming scenarios. He predicted future warming at 0.8 degrees C. (His conclusions have been widely misstated.)
Crichton has won an Emmy, a Peabody, and a Writer's Guild of America Award


thats not too shaby

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I read his book and enjoyed it for what it was, a work of fiction used to promote his views of global warming. I agree that he is a pretty smart and talented guy but he has no credentials as a climatologist and you must keep that in mind.

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yes of course I forgot Al Gore and his gloabaloney and the IPCC are the experts

I dont think so

Never said he was. While GW is a favourite project of Al Gore's, Al Gore is his biggest project. His movie was as much about Al Gore than Global Warming and we have to keep that in mind too. But Global warming is not about Michael Crichton or Al Gore. Virtually the entire worldwide scientific community are now convinced of both the threat and the cause and those are the people we had best listen to.

[newpilotwife]

Hubby flew in the Arctic for many years, quite a few years ago. Recently flew to Greenland, one look at the state of the icecap/bergs/whatever, compared to what used to be there, convinced him global warming is a reality.

So what if our emissions aren't the cause of it? Reducing them can only help us IMHO

[BoostedNihilist]

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