yeah, yeah - we all know that you're in Iraq - too bad for you... but it isn't material to our discussion and as you seem to know nothing of the incident and have nothing to offer so why don't you stick to USA war - bashing threads...Nark wrote:Come over here for a day and complain.
Mountie gets off for slaying drunk kid in custody.
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Your an idiot plain and simple.
Nark has been a member of this forum before he was a Marine.
Nark also has a lot more knowledge of firearms than most on this forum.
I fit in nicely to this thread.
Wrap your head around this idea. Someone knocks/chokes an RCMP member out. Now he has access to his sidearm and shoots the KOed Constable, other people in the cells and so on. Do you see the picture now?
This constable did the right thing under the circumstances.
I think I get it now. The police are guilty until proven innocent. I guess I can throw out my criminal justice degree now.
Altiplano:
My little quipe is quite relivant to the disscusion. Read it again, think about it and read it again.
Nark has been a member of this forum before he was a Marine.
Nark also has a lot more knowledge of firearms than most on this forum.
I fit in nicely to this thread.
You are an idiot. The incident was investigated and found that there is not enough evidence that supports criminal charged against the said named constable. You are aware of how the justice system works right?None of the cases being discussed here concern charges that were proven in a court of law. Under the law that these officers had sworn to uphold, everyone was still innocent.
Wrap your head around this idea. Someone knocks/chokes an RCMP member out. Now he has access to his sidearm and shoots the KOed Constable, other people in the cells and so on. Do you see the picture now?
This constable did the right thing under the circumstances.
I think I get it now. The police are guilty until proven innocent. I guess I can throw out my criminal justice degree now.
Altiplano:
My little quipe is quite relivant to the disscusion. Read it again, think about it and read it again.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
Could it be that it has something to do with not being allowed to release evidence and argue their case in the media while the matter is before the complaints commissioner?
On the other hand, it just might be that it took them that long to doctor the photo's, hire a make-up artist, beat the crap out of Koester themselves and the timing with the complaint commissioner's report was coincidental.
On the other hand, it just might be that it took them that long to doctor the photo's, hire a make-up artist, beat the crap out of Koester themselves and the timing with the complaint commissioner's report was coincidental.
If the officer was pistol whipping the boy and the gun accidentally discharged it wouldn't take the officer less than a minute to realize the consequences of this incident. Self inflicting (or furthering) wounds on oneself, without witness, would not be a difficult task considering the alternative. It has happened many times in the past.Kilo-Kilo wrote:Am I the only one who saw the photos of the officer right after the incident? He had the shit kicked out him plain and simple. Alone and taking a severe beating, what would you do?
A choke hold applied with the arm doesn't usually leave any bruising. The pressure squeezes the arteries in your neck restricting blood flow to your brain, but it doesn't rupture them. Or, depending on how it's applied, it restricts your airway.
I guess someone forgot to include Sgt Duncan in the cover-up conspiracy. Wouldn't you think he would have said he saw bruising if the fix was in?
I guess someone forgot to include Sgt Duncan in the cover-up conspiracy. Wouldn't you think he would have said he saw bruising if the fix was in?
There are two type of chokes:
Air and Blood.
An air choke is generally what you see in the movies, and by people who don't know what they're doing. It will take 1-3 minutes to knock you out.
A blood choke will knock your ass out in about 10 seconds.
Air and Blood.
An air choke is generally what you see in the movies, and by people who don't know what they're doing. It will take 1-3 minutes to knock you out.
A blood choke will knock your ass out in about 10 seconds.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
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GroundSpeed
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What would we all be saying if the mountie was strangled to death that night? I'm sure everyone would be very sympathetic and offering there condolences about the poor rookie cop that was murdered in a cell that night. Most likely no one will ever know what really happened that night.
There's also no postage required to send a letter to an MP, just send it to this address:Dex wrote:If you can send a copy through Canada Post to the above Representatives. Letters through Canada Post can have a bigger impact with enough volume; especially this time of year. Spread the word and encourage others to snail mail and email their Representatives.
House of Commons
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Here's the list of members of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security:
http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/cmte/CommitteeLi ... &COM=13205
If you are attacking someone you can easily apply a blood choke not knowing it. The victim will certainly know which one is applied in about 2 seconds.
All a blood choke is doing is cutting off the blood flow to your brain. There are two carotid arteries on either side of your neck. Which easily be blocked by someone choking you from behind.
All a blood choke is doing is cutting off the blood flow to your brain. There are two carotid arteries on either side of your neck. Which easily be blocked by someone choking you from behind.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
Any choke hold is useless against a person trained in unarmed combat .You would lose your testicles and eyes getting that close to someone who knows how to fight .Not forgetting how vulnerable the ribs and throat by raising your defences up top put a choke hold on a fighting man .If you knew how easy it is to break a human leg or arm you would never allow a fighter to get that close to your body in a fight
Many policemen have ended up in hospital trying to put a choke hold on someone who can fight .
A trained martial artist can take on six to eight opponents at a time so a single policeman trying to tackle a fighter is just asking for a world of hurt trying to choke out a fighter.
Being that close to a fighter for ten seconds means you will need to be fed through a tube.
Many policemen have ended up in hospital trying to put a choke hold on someone who can fight .
A trained martial artist can take on six to eight opponents at a time so a single policeman trying to tackle a fighter is just asking for a world of hurt trying to choke out a fighter.
Being that close to a fighter for ten seconds means you will need to be fed through a tube.
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Did Bush have a history of being a dangerous fighter?
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
I have never been in the military, a police officer or a black belt in whatever and I can knock you out in 5-10 seconds with a choke hold. So could every kid I grew up with, it really isn't that difficult. This is my first look at this posting because I knew it would make my blood boil. You freaking people that attack this cop make me sick. You have no more information then anyone else, yet you side with the guy in the cell, not the guy who has taken a job that puts his life at risk to protect others. Are there bad cops out there? Sure. Is this guy one? Who knows, but he gets the benefit of the doubt with me because he does a job that keeps us all safe. So I say this with the utmost detest for all of those police bashing jerkoffs on this forum...shut the hell up. If you are so sure he is guilty then take your evidence to the authorities, or media, or whoever isn't part of a big conspiracy (hell post it right here) a show us all he is guilty. We all know you won't do that because you don't have it, but hey, thanks to our military of the past and present, you live in a country that allows you free speech, so have at er. Hipocracy is, as always, alive and well and you folks must be some of the biggest hippocrites I have seen in a long while.
I for one am glad that a police officer is alive and on the streets and not laying dead in the ground. So now, let's hear some more bitching, because that, I know, you have plenty of.
I for one am glad that a police officer is alive and on the streets and not laying dead in the ground. So now, let's hear some more bitching, because that, I know, you have plenty of.
You only have the same information that the rest of us have. But you have a different view. Yet you get to call the rest of us " some of the biggest hippocrites I have seen in a long while" and " police bashing jerkoffs on this forum".
Your point of view. And is not thanks to the police that you can come here and express it. Better not encounter a trigger happy cop in the future or your opinions will be read by somebody else at your funereal.
Your point of view. And is not thanks to the police that you can come here and express it. Better not encounter a trigger happy cop in the future or your opinions will be read by somebody else at your funereal.
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Then there is no sense in continuing to debate with Sigmet77.Sigmet77 - Common sense seems to be one more non-renewable resource.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Why was it only one cop alone in the first place ???
This will end up as a manpower issue .An undermanned overworked overstressed policeman working alone in an underfunded police system against a violent drunk is no safer than an overworked overstressed pilot flying into a stormy area in a poorly maintained aircraft with no radar ???
We all know there is need for improvement for the working conditions of these young front line police.
All the cuts that the RCMP had to suffer have had long term effect that no one is happy about .One guy alone trying to subdue a drunk is not the best system to have .
This will end up as a manpower issue .An undermanned overworked overstressed policeman working alone in an underfunded police system against a violent drunk is no safer than an overworked overstressed pilot flying into a stormy area in a poorly maintained aircraft with no radar ???
We all know there is need for improvement for the working conditions of these young front line police.
All the cuts that the RCMP had to suffer have had long term effect that no one is happy about .One guy alone trying to subdue a drunk is not the best system to have .
