Mountie gets off for slaying drunk kid in custody.

sigmet77 · Post by **sigmet77** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:48 am

Hedley, it is not cencorship, just a personal request.

nacho · Post by **nacho** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:33 pm

sigmet77 wrote:Nacho, my question is why are folks so quick to attack the police officer instead of defend him? Haven't criminals done worse to our society than police?

I believe they have. Now do you think that having a beer at the arena and even getting into a pissing contest with a cop is enough to get a bullet in the back of the head? What is Pickton going to get then?
Bush was unarmed, and a cop that is supposed to be trained to handle cases like this, cannot come out with a smoking gun and have me believe he feared for his life. Put one on his leg, his foot if you have to. Back of the head is execution style. And killing someone like he did would be enough to see he is not fit for the job he is doing.
A position of authority is a big responsibility, add to that carrying a firearm and we have something that if let out of control will get you wondering why nobody said anything when there was still hope and time to something about it.
If for whatever reason you end up in a cell like him in the hands of a cop that has duty to serve and protect your life, I hope it’s not one that would be ready to put a bullet in the back of your head just because you are an idiot or you put yourself there. Like others have stated before, that you get hurt because you put yourself there.
So abusive police doesn’t exist? And no one can confront these abuses fearing for their lives, and when they do occur, they investigate themselves?
These are my opinions and I don’t consider myself a hypocrite for expressing them.
Cops like this one are not the ones that granted me with this right, nor are the soldiers that kill civilians and innocent people around the world. I hope you get to see the difference

BoostedNihilist · Post by **BoostedNihilist** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:42 pm

nacho · Post by **nacho** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:51 pm

GroundSpeed wrote:What would we all be saying if the mountie was strangled to death that night? I'm sure everyone would be very sympathetic and offering there condolences about the poor rookie cop that was murdered in a cell that night. Most likely no one will ever know what really happened that night.

I guess that would be the case, but getting back on the issue, he came out alive, he had the gun, he was the authority, he was there to serve and protecet among other things this guys life. If someone having a drink where he is not supposed to is going to end like this, and some of us don't see it wrong, then the problem is even bigger because we as a society allow it.
When they take away the rest of your rights, it will be too late.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:23 pm

Was there any personal history between these two individuals? Why did he single out Bush?

Wanted the same woman?

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:30 pm

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:29 pm

There is a a whole department set up within the RCMP to investigate complaints from the public.

Punishments are levied out for whatever infractions they have commited (RCMP member).

Some of you have lost sight of whats going on. You think that this constable executed that drunken retard and the RCMP are covering up for him. Thats not the case.

Pilots investigate pilots, doctors investigate doctors, why aren't cops allowed to investigate themselves?

The summery of the investigation is certainly plausable, but you cop haters won't take it for what it's worth.

IF you mess with somebody who has the legal authority to use a gun, someone if going to be shot before long. I wear a rifle everywhere I go over here. If it comes down to me and Mr Hajji, I'm going to walk away. Its just that simple. The same can be applied to a cell in BC.

BoostedNihilist · Post by **BoostedNihilist** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:08 am

nacho · Post by **nacho** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:05 am

Mr. Nark just made my point when he stated :

"IF you mess with somebody who has the legal authority to use a gun, someone if going to be shot before long. I wear a rifle everywhere I go over here. If it comes down to me and Mr Hajji, I'm going to walk away. Its just that simple. The same can be applied to a cell in BC."

Not everybody has the moral authority to use a gun although some of you slipped through the crack and we as the people have given you one.
And to me it's not good in Irak or in Canada.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:59 am

"IF you mess with somebody who has the legal authority to use a gun, someone if going to be shot before long. I wear a rifle everywhere I go over here. If it comes down to me and Mr Hajji, I'm going to walk away. Its just that simple. The same can be applied to a cell in BC."

So in your mind it is A.O.K. to shoot an unarmed person if he "messes" with you and if you ever come to Canada and become a cop you will execute any unarmed person who messes with you even in a cell in B.C.

Well maybe with that attitude you will meet your match wherever you are carrying that gun now.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:13 am

The RCMP investigating themselves.....isn't that just like SMS?

albertdesalvo · Post by **albertdesalvo** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:50 am

Nark wrote:If it comes down to me and Mr Hajji, I'm going to walk away. Its just that simple.

3,888 of your compadres thought the same, and they went home in boxes. Do you feel lucky?

nacho · Post by **nacho** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:04 pm

albertdesalvo wrote:
Nark wrote:If it comes down to me and Mr Hajji, I'm going to walk away. Its just that simple.
3,888 of your compadres thought the same, and they went home in boxes. Do you feel lucky?

We will never know the number of Iraqi people dead they are leaving behind, I mean the ones that did mess with them.

The subject still doesn't change, not all the guys with the authority and the guns should be doing the job. If there is no clean up, more will die in their hands.

No one gave them absolute power as not to mess with them, they work for us, period.

albertdesalvo · Post by **albertdesalvo** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:32 pm

Well, I just think if a guy goes into a police station alive and comes out dead, there is something very wrong. And when some jarhead in Iraq starts preaching like he knows what happened in that police station when he obviously doesn't, he deserves to be called on it.

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:56 am

And do you know what happend in that cell? I trust the outcome of the investigation.

Why is it that some of you think someone without a weapon is complety harmless? I use and practice escalation of force. So did Cst K, and the report states that.

Do I feel lucky?

I sure a shit do. I've seen first hand what 25lbs of propellent can do to an armored truck.

The Iraqi Police are the most corrupt force I have ever seen. So by comparing them to the RCMP, again I say, you are greatful to have the RCMP protecting your streets.

albertdesalvo · Post by **albertdesalvo** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:12 am

Nark wrote:I trust the outcome of the investigation.

I don't. And that's the crux of the biscuit. The RCMP have demonstrated repeatedly that they are unworthy of my trust. Frankly, they scare me.

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:46 am

This whole thread is about not trusting the police. Police forces from around the world go to Regina to train with the RCMP at Depot, but a few bad apples, and the whole system is flawed?

What have they done to you that makes you not trust them as a whole? Did you get a speeding ticket? Did you get your ass beaten to a pulp only because your a pilot?

Before leaving for greener pastures I spent countless nights with the RCMP in MB, SK and BC doing volunteer and paid services. I've dealt with drunk retards at 3 in the morning who think they are superman. I've seen a lot of stupid shit that people shouldn't have to deal with ever, but some do on a daily basis. Not once did I see an RCMP member do something questionable.

So call me biased, but I've seen it first hand.

nacho · Post by **nacho** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:56 am

So call me biased, but I've seen it first hand.[/quote]

OK, I'll call you that and not just beacuase you are asking.
And the system is flawed, again in my opinion, when we allow them to investigate themselves after an unarmed guy dies in police custody.

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:39 am

I'm a bit confused, what is it people here think happened? Do they actually think that this mountie shot the suspect execution style or what?

In spite of what the newspaper clipping posted above said, on the news they showed a photo of the mountie after the incident. He looked to be in pretty bad shape to me. Do people think this was a makeup job? Maybe some other mounties layed a beating on this kid to make it look good?

When they played the recording of his call for help, he sure sounded scared and upset. Was this an act?

It seems that all those who think an evil act was commited have pinned all their arguments on the blood spatter guy hired by the family of the suspect in custody. Is that it, or is there more?

Can those who believe that something nefarious was going on please explain to me exactly what it is that they think happened, and why? (please no flames, name calling etc. That is not helpful)

nacho · Post by **nacho** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:05 am

A man dies im police custody, in a cell. With a shot to the back of his head. This is the entire point here, I don't thik it so hard to understand.
If a person is unruly under police custody, you can let them cool down before you enter the cell instead ?
I would like to see an independent investigation.
I dont think I would be comfortable in police custody, not sure I would be in good hands.
Whatever others say, this cop FAILED to serve society by FAILING to protect his prisioners life.
Same as the four cops at the Vancouver airport.
None of us are perfect and one day it could be you having a beer where you are not supposed to, and taken into custody, and who knows after...
I don't drink myself but still worries me.
And no I don't trust cops investigating cops, and don't seem to be the only one.

albertdesalvo · Post by **albertdesalvo** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:56 am

Nark wrote:What have they done to you that makes you not trust them as a whole?

They haven't done anything to me. But I saw them kill a guy in YVR for no reason at all, and lie about what happened, and that prompted me to do a little research. There is something seriously wrong with that police service. There is also something seriously wrong with the civilian oversight of same.

BoostedNihilist · Post by **BoostedNihilist** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:12 pm

BoostedNihilist · Post by **BoostedNihilist** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:21 pm

albertdesalvo · Post by **albertdesalvo** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:11 pm

Nark wrote:So call me biased, but I've seen it first hand.

Since you've put your bias out there, I'll openly declare mine.

I knew someone who was killed in police custody. I went to the funeral parlor for the viewing. The family of the deceased refused to allow the funeral home to make any cosmetic alterations to the body; they insisted on an open casket. They wanted everyone to know what happened in that police station.

I looked at a man with the side of his skull crushed. His head was shaven, due to the doctors trying to save his life and operating on his brain, but that just served to reveal how devastating the injuries inflicted by the police were. There was a huge dent in his skull. I can see it just like it was yesterday, and this happened in 1975.

In those days the cops pretty much did what they wanted. His death was a footnote, and was swiftly forgotten. But not by me...... I've seen it first hand too.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:29 pm