Cost of Staff Travel on WJ
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you think you have it bad?
Try being ATC. Our efficiencies are passed on to the airlines as increased profit and their employees get incentives and bonuses and profit sharing as a result while we face back to work legislation and mediation just to get a 2.5% raise.
Like many of my peers, I have been on flights where ATC was blamed for delays when it was not the case - I even called a Captain on it once.
We have no flight benefits. In fact, we even have to pay the Nav Canada fee when we travel. When we call to cancel or change our flight, the airlines charge us the same $40 fee that everyone else is charged. We do not qualify for industry rates on hotels, resorts and rental cars either. However, we have peers around the world that get the interline and flight benefits.
So I guess when you discuss free versus $2.50 or a ride in a competitors jump seat, or even a 'hello', remember the controllers all sitting in the back that paid full price.
Like many of my peers, I have been on flights where ATC was blamed for delays when it was not the case - I even called a Captain on it once.
We have no flight benefits. In fact, we even have to pay the Nav Canada fee when we travel. When we call to cancel or change our flight, the airlines charge us the same $40 fee that everyone else is charged. We do not qualify for industry rates on hotels, resorts and rental cars either. However, we have peers around the world that get the interline and flight benefits.
So I guess when you discuss free versus $2.50 or a ride in a competitors jump seat, or even a 'hello', remember the controllers all sitting in the back that paid full price.
So, when someone plows a runway, should they get interline deals too? They have allowed an aircraft to land....so they should get a jumpseat?
My point is, Navcanada does not offer jumpseats. So none will be offered to Navcanada. Controllers should pay full price. Marry an airline employee if you want deal.
Maybe I am missing something with your post?
My point is, Navcanada does not offer jumpseats. So none will be offered to Navcanada. Controllers should pay full price. Marry an airline employee if you want deal.
Maybe I am missing something with your post?
Booyakasha!
You work for a company that provides a service to airlines. The only benefit I think you should be entitled to is a break in the NAVCAN fee.Try being ATC. Our efficiencies are passed on to the airlines as increased profit and their employees get incentives and bonuses and profit sharing as a result while we face back to work legislation and mediation just to get a 2.5% raise.
Like many of my peers, I have been on flights where ATC was blamed for delays when it was not the case - I even called a Captain on it once.
We have no flight benefits. In fact, we even have to pay the Nav Canada fee when we travel. When we call to cancel or change our flight, the airlines charge us the same $40 fee that everyone else is charged. We do not qualify for industry rates on hotels, resorts and rental cars either. However, we have peers around the world that get the interline and flight benefits.
So I guess when you discuss free versus $2.50 or a ride in a competitors jump seat, or even a 'hello', remember the controllers all sitting in the back that paid full price.
Re: Cost of Staff Travel on WJ
Thank you for your responses.
Correct me if I am wrong, but is there not an amount of cost savings that 'direct' and altitude requests have on your bottom line (and your compensation packages), that creates increased workload for ATC? We have one customer, the airlines, that decides what we do and how we do it.
The guy driving the snowplow works for someone else entirely. Although I seem to recall that the folks from Hudson General used to receive flight benefits for cleaning airplanes. Do they still?
Correct me if I am wrong, but is there not an amount of cost savings that 'direct' and altitude requests have on your bottom line (and your compensation packages), that creates increased workload for ATC? We have one customer, the airlines, that decides what we do and how we do it.
The guy driving the snowplow works for someone else entirely. Although I seem to recall that the folks from Hudson General used to receive flight benefits for cleaning airplanes. Do they still?
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Re: Cost of Staff Travel on WJ
I am pretty sure a WJ pilot flying on AC reciprocal flies for free, no taxes, 0 dollars, less than what an AC pilot would pay to fly on AC. While at WJ you pay $2.50, plus taxes which on some legs can be in the $30 dollar range. Quite a difference. It is still appreciated but the personal greetings might start to increase when that fee is done away with and the WJ skipper personally allows the jumpseater to ride for free as is the set up at most airlines.
That being said most/all WJ pilots I know disagree with the current arrangement and would like to see a proper/free jumpseat program.
That being said most/all WJ pilots I know disagree with the current arrangement and would like to see a proper/free jumpseat program.
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On Westjet, it's $2.50 for the reciprocal pilot agreement plus AIF and security fees. Hell of a deal and I try to pop my head in to say thanks if I have the opportunity. Previously we had to use passes and go through the hoops... now we make a phone call and list ourselves... much easier!
AC has been very kind on deadheads offering J class... no complaints about either airline in terms of how they treat pilots of other airlines.
AC has been very kind on deadheads offering J class... no complaints about either airline in terms of how they treat pilots of other airlines.
