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THE OFFICIAL Is an AME an Engineer thread
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I am in a former Portuguese colony, here in Africa. They call me a Engihneero de Avio's de Mecanico
And I am just a lowly AME from Canada.
So there is more then just British Commonwealth Countries that use the Engineer term for AME's
And I am just a lowly AME from Canada.
So there is more then just British Commonwealth Countries that use the Engineer term for AME's
.... Maintenance is a science since it's execution relies, sooner or later, on most or all of the sciences. Lindley R. Higgins Maintenance Engineering Handbook; Mcgraw-Hill, NY, 1990.. Look ma, I'm a Scientist!
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Not sure if anybody cares, but ...
A graduate/professional engineer is supposed to have considerable
theoretical knowledge, acquired during his lengthy education.
A technician (aka mechanic) is supposed to have considerable
practical knowledge, accrued as a result of his experience.
Now, an engineer with no practical knowledge is worse than
useless. I'm sure we've all worked on something that wasn't
designed with maintenance in mind.
A technician with no theoretical knowledge is similarly useless.
Sure, he can check tire pressure and change the oil, but without
a checklist and a manual, he's lost. He can't diagnose his
way out of a wet paper bag.
Recently, I know of a Lycoming that was misfiring during
runup. The AME sent off both mags to be rebuilt. Of course,
that wasn't the problem - it was a sticky valve. The AME
clearly did not understand, from a theoretical standpoint,
the remote possibility of both mags misfiring. You could
see the fire belch out the exhaust - it was obviously a
hung valve. But the owner was stuck with a bill for
R&R'ing both mags, and having them overhauled, because
this AME could not diagnose worth excrement.
I'm not crapping on AME's, though - doctors usually
can't diagnose problems very well, either, and quite
often people die as a result of incorrect or too-late
treatment.
Oh yeah, then there was the little twin with the rough
running engine, the AME had changed both mags, both
harnesses, all the spark plugs, the carb, the governor,
and it still ran rough
Without some theoretical knowledge, the AME cannot
diagnose problems. This goes double (and triple!) for
electrical and avionics gremlins. Such an AME will be
limited to merely repeating fixes he has seen in the
past, assuming his memory is correct.
Executive summary: it's nice to have both theoretical
knowledge, and practical experience. The best engineers
and technicians have both.
A graduate/professional engineer is supposed to have considerable
theoretical knowledge, acquired during his lengthy education.
A technician (aka mechanic) is supposed to have considerable
practical knowledge, accrued as a result of his experience.
Now, an engineer with no practical knowledge is worse than
useless. I'm sure we've all worked on something that wasn't
designed with maintenance in mind.
A technician with no theoretical knowledge is similarly useless.
Sure, he can check tire pressure and change the oil, but without
a checklist and a manual, he's lost. He can't diagnose his
way out of a wet paper bag.
Recently, I know of a Lycoming that was misfiring during
runup. The AME sent off both mags to be rebuilt. Of course,
that wasn't the problem - it was a sticky valve. The AME
clearly did not understand, from a theoretical standpoint,
the remote possibility of both mags misfiring. You could
see the fire belch out the exhaust - it was obviously a
hung valve. But the owner was stuck with a bill for
R&R'ing both mags, and having them overhauled, because
this AME could not diagnose worth excrement.
I'm not crapping on AME's, though - doctors usually
can't diagnose problems very well, either, and quite
often people die as a result of incorrect or too-late
treatment.
Oh yeah, then there was the little twin with the rough
running engine, the AME had changed both mags, both
harnesses, all the spark plugs, the carb, the governor,
and it still ran rough
Without some theoretical knowledge, the AME cannot
diagnose problems. This goes double (and triple!) for
electrical and avionics gremlins. Such an AME will be
limited to merely repeating fixes he has seen in the
past, assuming his memory is correct.
Executive summary: it's nice to have both theoretical
knowledge, and practical experience. The best engineers
and technicians have both.
Re: THE OFFICIAL Is an AME an Engineer thread
Hedley,
Not knowing the situation behind your two examples there, sometimes that can be related to pilot misinformation or lack thereof.
I have had to physically go run-up or fly with a few pilots to have them demonstrate what "it's broke, or it's running rough means to them." (My favourite was my plane bangs when I taxi. He hadn't flown in six months and it was his tires having taken a bit of an obtuse shape at that point, the banging he felt was the tires spinning while taxiing down the Taxiway.
So if I wasn't a smart cookie and just went with the plane is banging that opens a whole lot of options right!?
(By the way I did that free of Charge for this Pilot, and explain to him the importance of details when bringing in a snag.
You know what, He accepted it and he is now one of the better pilot customers that comes in with Snags. He infact gives us more information then necessary but, I'm not complaining I'd rather have to much then to little any day.)
But, I do agree with your assesment if the Engineer was given (Either pilot spoken, Run-up, visual inspection...)enough information and still assessed the problem as poorly as you are showing them to have made, then maybe just maybe He made an error.
Unlike Pilot's, Pinky Engineers, Transport inspectors, Airline Pilots, Auto Mechanics.........
Speaking of not making Errors I have been told that South Edmonton Common is a Textbook case of Civil Engineering No, no's. And They were working with a Blank Sheet of Paper! (That bit of Information came Directly from the UofA Civil Engineering Department.)
Not knowing the situation behind your two examples there, sometimes that can be related to pilot misinformation or lack thereof.
I have had to physically go run-up or fly with a few pilots to have them demonstrate what "it's broke, or it's running rough means to them." (My favourite was my plane bangs when I taxi. He hadn't flown in six months and it was his tires having taken a bit of an obtuse shape at that point, the banging he felt was the tires spinning while taxiing down the Taxiway.
So if I wasn't a smart cookie and just went with the plane is banging that opens a whole lot of options right!?
(By the way I did that free of Charge for this Pilot, and explain to him the importance of details when bringing in a snag.
You know what, He accepted it and he is now one of the better pilot customers that comes in with Snags. He infact gives us more information then necessary but, I'm not complaining I'd rather have to much then to little any day.)
But, I do agree with your assesment if the Engineer was given (Either pilot spoken, Run-up, visual inspection...)enough information and still assessed the problem as poorly as you are showing them to have made, then maybe just maybe He made an error.
Unlike Pilot's, Pinky Engineers, Transport inspectors, Airline Pilots, Auto Mechanics.........
Speaking of not making Errors I have been told that South Edmonton Common is a Textbook case of Civil Engineering No, no's. And They were working with a Blank Sheet of Paper! (That bit of Information came Directly from the UofA Civil Engineering Department.)
.... Maintenance is a science since it's execution relies, sooner or later, on most or all of the sciences. Lindley R. Higgins Maintenance Engineering Handbook; Mcgraw-Hill, NY, 1990.. Look ma, I'm a Scientist!
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This arguement is hilarious, I am an AME and call myself as such. When someone not in aviation asks what an AME is, I simply state I am an aircraft mechanic, calling myself a mechanic or an engineer doesn't change the fact that non-aviation folk have absolutely no friggin clue what I do at work, to explain the diversity of my career would take hours and would quite honestly bore most folks to death. Whats interesting to me is not interesting to everyone (someone just needs to get pilots to realize this 
). Do I feel I engineer things, at times yes. Does it make me an engineer, not at all.
I take pride in my work, and that is good enough for me. When I get a stranded airplane home and a crew member says "thanks for getting us home, I appreciate it", that is more than enough to keep me going. The general public will never understand it no matter what you tell them or call yourself, but when the folks in the same industry show a genuine appreciation for the work you do perform it shows a respect for the career and an understanding of the difficulty of what we do. I'll take that over Joe Public trying to figure it all out any day, I am just as thankful for the flight crew for taking my weary ass home after a trip away from base, something I cannot do as I am not a pilot, to each their chosen profession. Why try to justify a profession to people that the industry is foreign to? Earn respect from your peers for what you do, and it no longer matters what people call you as long as they appreciate what you are doing.
). Do I feel I engineer things, at times yes. Does it make me an engineer, not at all.I take pride in my work, and that is good enough for me. When I get a stranded airplane home and a crew member says "thanks for getting us home, I appreciate it", that is more than enough to keep me going. The general public will never understand it no matter what you tell them or call yourself, but when the folks in the same industry show a genuine appreciation for the work you do perform it shows a respect for the career and an understanding of the difficulty of what we do. I'll take that over Joe Public trying to figure it all out any day, I am just as thankful for the flight crew for taking my weary ass home after a trip away from base, something I cannot do as I am not a pilot, to each their chosen profession. Why try to justify a profession to people that the industry is foreign to? Earn respect from your peers for what you do, and it no longer matters what people call you as long as they appreciate what you are doing.
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Right On KMT I agree 100%. Where were you 4 pages ago?
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I just asked the chief instructor here at the BCIT aerospace campus the question "Is an AME an engineer?"
Short answer: "Yes, but not a P.Eng."
He went on a bit in detail that in Canada AME's are considered engineers, but in the States they're not ("technician" is used instead). It's also illegal in some countries to call yourself an engineer without an engineering degree (the legally protected term in Canada is "Professional Engineer"), so "[he] gets away from that by simply calling [himself] an AME". He also said that what sets AME's apart from non-engineers is the ability to sign official documents and thereby taking legal responsibility for them, just like a structural engineer can sign for a building for example. He said some more stuff about being able to design and submit modifications and repairs to Transport Canada, but this is the gist of it.
So basically, both sides of this are correct. Yes, AME's are engineers in the broader sense (including the Canadian government) but in the strict sense of being a Professional Engineer they aren't because they lack an engineering degree.
I had one instructor a while back who told us we should take pride in the term engineer, and that's included in the official legal title. He also said whenever the issue of "what's the difference [between mechanic and engineer]?" he would simply reply "what's the difference between a cook and a chef?"
Personally, I think the term "technician" that's used in the States is more fitting since an engineer is primarily theoretical while a technician has primarily a practical knowledge of the theoretical principles of a specialized field. I also agree with KISS_MY_TCAS, and when people who don't know what I'm studying ask I simply say "aircraft maintenance" and they know what I'm talking about (although I sometimes add the "engineer" at the end to spice it up a bit
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"Aircraft Maintenance Engineer" is the official term and should be a proud title that isn't misleading, but if an AME would simply say "I'm an engineer" then that would be misleading IMO. Simply the term "engineer" is not limited to Professional Engineers though (or people who design and invent things) since the definition is quite broad if you look it up in a dictionary, and is not limited to people in the field of "engineering". Besides, when was the last time a flight engineer designed a plane?
Here's some from Wikipedia's "Engineer" article:
Short answer: "Yes, but not a P.Eng."
He went on a bit in detail that in Canada AME's are considered engineers, but in the States they're not ("technician" is used instead). It's also illegal in some countries to call yourself an engineer without an engineering degree (the legally protected term in Canada is "Professional Engineer"), so "[he] gets away from that by simply calling [himself] an AME". He also said that what sets AME's apart from non-engineers is the ability to sign official documents and thereby taking legal responsibility for them, just like a structural engineer can sign for a building for example. He said some more stuff about being able to design and submit modifications and repairs to Transport Canada, but this is the gist of it.
So basically, both sides of this are correct. Yes, AME's are engineers in the broader sense (including the Canadian government) but in the strict sense of being a Professional Engineer they aren't because they lack an engineering degree.
I had one instructor a while back who told us we should take pride in the term engineer, and that's included in the official legal title. He also said whenever the issue of "what's the difference [between mechanic and engineer]?" he would simply reply "what's the difference between a cook and a chef?"
Personally, I think the term "technician" that's used in the States is more fitting since an engineer is primarily theoretical while a technician has primarily a practical knowledge of the theoretical principles of a specialized field. I also agree with KISS_MY_TCAS, and when people who don't know what I'm studying ask I simply say "aircraft maintenance" and they know what I'm talking about (although I sometimes add the "engineer" at the end to spice it up a bit
). "Aircraft Maintenance Engineer" is the official term and should be a proud title that isn't misleading, but if an AME would simply say "I'm an engineer" then that would be misleading IMO. Simply the term "engineer" is not limited to Professional Engineers though (or people who design and invent things) since the definition is quite broad if you look it up in a dictionary, and is not limited to people in the field of "engineering". Besides, when was the last time a flight engineer designed a plane?
Here's some from Wikipedia's "Engineer" article:
The term 'engineer' is also often used to describe a technician or a person that mends and operates machinery or engines. In that use, it usually does not refer to a person with an academic engineering degree or an engineering license. For example, in the United States a railroad engineer denotes the operator of a locomotive, a ship's engineer denotes the operator of the steam engine on a steamship, and a stationary engineer is normally responsible for a stationary steam engine. The term "field engineer" or "customer engineer" is often used to describe manufacturers' (or third party) supplied installers and/or maintainers of (complex) equipment at a user's site.
The word "technologist" is sometimes used synonymously as it derives from the prefix techno- and the suffix -ologist, hence, someone who studies technology. This applies particularly to those European countries with laws regulating the use of the title "engineer." However, in Britain as well as some European countries, the term "technologist" is a certification or registration that is equal to an engineer but has a different focus than design.
Re: THE OFFICIAL Is an AME an Engineer thread
[/quote]Sarke wrote:I just asked the chief instructor here at the BCIT aerospace campus the question "Is an AME an engineer?"
Short answer: "Yes, but not a P.Eng."
He went on a bit in detail that in Canada AME's are considered engineers, but in the States they're not ("technician" is used instead). It's also illegal in some countries to call yourself an engineer without an engineering degree (the legally protected term in Canada is "Professional Engineer"), so "[he] gets away from that by simply calling [himself] an AME". He also said that what sets AME's apart from non-engineers is the ability to sign official documents and thereby taking legal responsibility for them, just like a structural engineer can sign for a building for example. He said some more stuff about being able to design and submit modifications and repairs to Transport Canada, but this is the gist of it.
So basically, both sides of this are correct. Yes, AME's are engineers in the broader sense (including the Canadian government) but in the strict sense of being a Professional Engineer they aren't because they lack an engineering degree.
I had one instructor a while back who told us we should take pride in the term engineer, and that's included in the official legal title. He also said whenever the issue of "what's the difference [between mechanic and engineer]?" he would simply reply "what's the difference between a cook and a chef?"
Personally, I think the term "technician" that's used in the States is more fitting since an engineer is primarily theoretical while a technician has primarily a practical knowledge of the theoretical principles of a specialized field. I also agree with KISS_MY_TCAS, and when people who don't know what I'm studying ask I simply say "aircraft maintenance" and they know what I'm talking about (although I sometimes add the "engineer" at the end to spice it up a bit
"Aircraft Maintenance Engineer" is the official term and should be a proud title that isn't misleading, but if an AME would simply say "I'm an engineer" then that would be misleading IMO. Simply the term "engineer" is not limited to Professional Engineers though (or people who design and invent things) since the definition is quite broad if you look it up in a dictionary, and is not limited to people in the field of "engineering". Besides, when was the last time a flight engineer designed a plane?
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Thank you!
I have no problems with AMEs calling themselves Aircraft maint engineers.
My beef is when they simply refer to themselves as Engineers.
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Hello my name is Engineer.... Aircraft Maintenance Engineer. 
.... Maintenance is a science since it's execution relies, sooner or later, on most or all of the sciences. Lindley R. Higgins Maintenance Engineering Handbook; Mcgraw-Hill, NY, 1990.. Look ma, I'm a Scientist!
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hum.....
so I'm an Engineer in english but not in french....
so I'm an Engineer in english but not in french....
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The French were always a little slow and Backwards anyways!
(What I stated above is a joke not an insult boys so don't get your knickers in a twist!)
(That was for those who take what is written to seriously like some on here!)
(What I stated above is a joke not an insult boys so don't get your knickers in a twist!)
(That was for those who take what is written to seriously like some on here!)
.... Maintenance is a science since it's execution relies, sooner or later, on most or all of the sciences. Lindley R. Higgins Maintenance Engineering Handbook; Mcgraw-Hill, NY, 1990.. Look ma, I'm a Scientist!
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I am not an engineer ,i am a Doctor of Maintenance.
I wear rubber gloves don't i.
Why are so many pilots ( truck drivers) commenting on this.
I wear rubber gloves don't i.
Why are so many pilots ( truck drivers) commenting on this.
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DAM
Doctor of Aircraft maintenance.
So let's see (again) what BCIT is offering:
And here is a link to the Transport Canada website that lists all accredited schools:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... 566s12.htm
and what does BCIT offer? Aircraft Maintenance.........
No mention of engineering there.
As a matter of fact not even the schools on the TC site can decide on a common program name for what ends up as an AME apprentice (although some schools refer to apprentices as technicians).
A good old Central Tech is true to the roots: Aircraft Mechanics.
And the now defunct Seneca College (near and dear to my old heart) used to offer
Electronic Engineering Technology Avionics Option program
Here by the way is the TC link for avionics:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... 566s13.htm
And what does BCIT offer you ask? Why Avionics maintenance. Again no mention of engineering there.
If you cannot get agreement between TC and the levels of higher education well.........
So what do AME TCAS RADAR have in common?
Well they are all Acronyms.
So the next time they ask you what you do for a living just say DAM!
Ok not funny....
So what am I?
AME category M2 and E.
I just tell people I am an aircraft mechanic.
Say goodnight Gracie.
Goodnight Gracie.
Doctor of Aircraft maintenance.
So let's see (again) what BCIT is offering:
and the link is: http://www.bcit.ca/path/engineering/programs/Aircraft Gas Turbine Technician
Full-time Certificate of Technical Studies
Aircraft Interior Technician
Full-time Associate Certificate of Technical Studies
Aircraft Maintenance Engineer Category 'E' (Avionics)
Full-time Diploma of Technical Studies
Aircraft Maintenance Engineer Category 'M' (Maintenance)
Full-time Diploma of Technical Studies
Aircraft Maintenance Engineer Category 'S' ((Structures))
Full-time Certificate of Technical Studies
Aircraft Mechanical Component Technician
Full-time Certificate of Technical Studies
Aircraft Structures Manufacturing Technician
Full-time Associate Certificate of Technical Studies
Airline and Flight Operations - Commercial Pilot
And here is a link to the Transport Canada website that lists all accredited schools:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... 566s12.htm
and what does BCIT offer? Aircraft Maintenance.........
No mention of engineering there.
As a matter of fact not even the schools on the TC site can decide on a common program name for what ends up as an AME apprentice (although some schools refer to apprentices as technicians).
A good old Central Tech is true to the roots: Aircraft Mechanics.
And the now defunct Seneca College (near and dear to my old heart) used to offer
Electronic Engineering Technology Avionics Option program
Here by the way is the TC link for avionics:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... 566s13.htm
And what does BCIT offer you ask? Why Avionics maintenance. Again no mention of engineering there.
If you cannot get agreement between TC and the levels of higher education well.........
So what do AME TCAS RADAR have in common?
Well they are all Acronyms.
So the next time they ask you what you do for a living just say DAM!
Ok not funny....
So what am I?
AME category M2 and E.
I just tell people I am an aircraft mechanic.
Say goodnight Gracie.
Goodnight Gracie.
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According to Transport Canada I am an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer. Whoopty do! I honestly could care less what I am called. Will a title make my life better? Nope. Will a title make my life any easier? Nope. However... I CANNOT abide the attitude taken by many University educated ENGINEERS that we are nothing more than low brow, mouth breathing, knuckle F@#$%ers. Show me the fundamental respect I deserve as a human being (same as you last time I checked. ) and I will do the same.
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Meecka those of us who know who we are and have self confidence couldn't care less what some wanker thinks about titles..
Have a good season..Cat.
Have a good season..Cat.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Yes, an AME is an Engineer when it come to aircraft. This is why we are called Aircraft Maintenance Engineers. I really don't get why Engineers in other diciplines get their panties in a bunch when we are refered to as Engineers? I read that it was because of their lengthy education. Well you take out the 2yrs of general studies in university and when they actually get into their faculty they have approx 3 years of actual training in their dicipline. That is three years with every summer off. Sound familiar. Give me a f@%$ing break. Well they actually design things. They use the same basic principles of physics that we had to learn, like I don't know Ohm's law, gas laws whatever and they then apply these to make up drawings. The way they have been described in here is that they invented the laws and principles! No ,they just apply what is already proven as do we. 
Cheers!
Cheers!
GIT-R-DONE!
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OK, if you know all the same basic principles, then why dont you give me an answer to my "problem" from a few pages back?log sheet wrote:Yes, an AME is an Engineer when it come to aircraft. This is why we are called Aircraft Maintenance Engineers. I really don't get why Engineers in other diciplines get their panties in a bunch when we are refered to as Engineers? I read that it was because of their lengthy education. Well you take out the 2yrs of general studies in university and when they actually get into their faculty they have approx 3 years of actual training in their dicipline. That is three years with every summer off. Sound familiar. Give me a f@%$ing break. Well they actually design things. They use the same basic principles of physics that we had to learn, like I don't know Ohm's law, gas laws whatever and they then apply these to make up drawings. The way they have been described in here is that they invented the laws and principles! No ,they just apply what is already proven as do we.
Cheers!
There is a difference between an aircraft mechanic, and a mechanical Engineer.
If no one seems to care (AMEs that is) what they are reffered to,, well then why is there 4 pages in this thread? My beef is when an AME simply refers to himself as an "engineer". My experience leads me to beleive this is done in order make themselves seem bigger or better. (I came across this at a party over Christmas break)
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There is also a difference between an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer and a Mechanical Engineer.There is a difference between an aircraft mechanic, and a mechanical Engineer.
What do you think the criteria should be Strega?
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Ok I just remembered something, With the current NAFTA agreement, certain Professions will be granted a work visa in the US, Engineer is one of them.
I have worked in the US under this program with no troubles. but I doubt any AME will be granted a Visa.......
If you dont beleive me,,, try it!
I have worked in the US under this program with no troubles. but I doubt any AME will be granted a Visa.......
If you dont beleive me,,, try it!
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Strega.........let it go man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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I tried and changed my mind before my passport was stamped, Just couldn't stomache giving up my Title of AME for A&P...... Just didn't have the same ring to it! (That was a Joke!)Strega wrote:Ok I just remembered something, With the current NAFTA agreement, certain Professions will be granted a work visa in the US, Engineer is one of them.
I have worked in the US under this program with no troubles. but I doubt any AME will be granted a Visa.......
If you dont beleive me,,, try it!
I did however apply for and was accepted for a job South of the Border. Was given a preliminary nod that a Visa would not be an issue as Aircraft Maintenance Engineers (A&P's or what ever you want to call it!)
were considered demand trades at the time. So like any country if they are short of Personnel in a particular trade you tend to get bumped up the line so to speak.
That was a couple years ago now so maybe the laws have changed. Would have been a sweet job, just decided I liked Canada better then living that far South of the Border.
.... Maintenance is a science since it's execution relies, sooner or later, on most or all of the sciences. Lindley R. Higgins Maintenance Engineering Handbook; Mcgraw-Hill, NY, 1990.. Look ma, I'm a Scientist!
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i was never called an engineer until i worked in Africa, where everyone referred to us as engineer. locals and the Europeans working for the U.N. before that it was just mechanic. the only term i got slightly annoyed with was when one of our pilots called us "grease monkeys" in a really condescending tone. i don't care what you call us as long as there is no disrespect behind it.
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Public transit drivers can be so cruelMZUNGO wrote:the only term i got slightly annoyed with was when one of our pilots called us "grease monkeys" in a really condescending tone. i don't care what you call us as long as there is no disrespect behind it.
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Mzungo,
Let me guess Kenya or Tanzania! Am I right? Been a while since I heard that one.
Why not Fundi Wabati? (Shade tree mechanic roughly translated!) (That would
go good with the Pilot slight!)
Let me guess Kenya or Tanzania! Am I right? Been a while since I heard that one.
Why not Fundi Wabati? (Shade tree mechanic roughly translated!) (That would
go good with the Pilot slight!)
.... Maintenance is a science since it's execution relies, sooner or later, on most or all of the sciences. Lindley R. Higgins Maintenance Engineering Handbook; Mcgraw-Hill, NY, 1990.. Look ma, I'm a Scientist!
