off the top, first thing I'd do is try to make the imports as costly as possible. if they are completely ineffective in what they are here to do, the company should get rid of them on their own.
i know there are some who will disagree with this, but f*$ck em, candaians first. Dont give them any help period, and let the flounder. to hell with niceties and being polite and accepting. that gets one nowhere.
my two cents
Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
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Pat Richard
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plainfixer
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The problem is not with the expats.
The problem is with the bean counters and non-aviation trained persons who sit in management and HR.
Expats arrive here legally because the company who sponsored them made a claim to HRDC that they could not find any Canadians to fill their positions.
Cascade does not have to prove that they could not "Find any AME's CHEAP enough". They just have to prove they could not get enough "Persons thru the door as employees".
The real problem is why did Cascade management employ immigrants from one nation of the entire planet?
Why did they employ immigrants from a country where the dollar exchange ratio is really favorable to both parties? EG: sending money home and paying crap for us looks good to them.
I enjoyed working with the employees at Cascade, but I did not like the near sighted and "Knee jerky decisions" that were made by cascade management.
Example: You are working as fast as you can on an Alaskan 737-200, then management orders every one to work on Continental 757. then 4hrs later, everyone is ordered back onto Alsakan 737-200 again. You didn't even get one job done in either line before the day is over.
Yeah, so why bother?
You need a job, management knows it. AME's have been psychologicaly tested to be "individuals" and not be prone to participate in group environments. EG: unions.
Pilots figured this out and left us behind. that was 30 years ago.
Unless you all stand together nothing will happen. this cyle has been going on for many years and will continue to do so.
The only way to break the cycle is to get persons who are licenced to take up positions in HR and management. Not Arse lickers, real skilled tradesmen who know how hard it is to get a licence, bulid time, build experience and try to get ahead.
Until then, you will read many posts like this for generations to come.
The only glimmer of hope I see is remote controlled aircraft (Unmaned) which need maintenance done to them. No pilots to fly them.
The problem is with the bean counters and non-aviation trained persons who sit in management and HR.
Expats arrive here legally because the company who sponsored them made a claim to HRDC that they could not find any Canadians to fill their positions.
Cascade does not have to prove that they could not "Find any AME's CHEAP enough". They just have to prove they could not get enough "Persons thru the door as employees".
The real problem is why did Cascade management employ immigrants from one nation of the entire planet?
Why did they employ immigrants from a country where the dollar exchange ratio is really favorable to both parties? EG: sending money home and paying crap for us looks good to them.
I enjoyed working with the employees at Cascade, but I did not like the near sighted and "Knee jerky decisions" that were made by cascade management.
Example: You are working as fast as you can on an Alaskan 737-200, then management orders every one to work on Continental 757. then 4hrs later, everyone is ordered back onto Alsakan 737-200 again. You didn't even get one job done in either line before the day is over.
Yeah, so why bother?
You need a job, management knows it. AME's have been psychologicaly tested to be "individuals" and not be prone to participate in group environments. EG: unions.
Pilots figured this out and left us behind. that was 30 years ago.
Unless you all stand together nothing will happen. this cyle has been going on for many years and will continue to do so.
The only way to break the cycle is to get persons who are licenced to take up positions in HR and management. Not Arse lickers, real skilled tradesmen who know how hard it is to get a licence, bulid time, build experience and try to get ahead.
Until then, you will read many posts like this for generations to come.
The only glimmer of hope I see is remote controlled aircraft (Unmaned) which need maintenance done to them. No pilots to fly them.
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Over the Horn
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Member of Parliment eh? Shazaam!!!!
So, it was suggested that a member of Parliment be contacted. So, I inquired about that and found that Mr. Ed Fast is a member of Parliment for the Abbotsford area.
-His office # and email address is as follows:
Mr. Ed Fast
-# (604)557-7888
-email address: ed@edfast.ca
also a reporter for THE ABBOTSFORD TIMES has given permission to give out her email address and # if you would like to contribute to the already pending story which should in the THE ABBOTSFORD TIMES as well as in the National News as well. Stories like these get picked up online and other media outlets snatch them up. Her office # and email address is as follows:
-Christina Toss:
-#(604)557-7888
-email address: ctoth@abbotsford times.com
This story should be out soon so look for it. If this is affecting you personaly you should be doing something about it before it becomes a never ending trend. If you have worked at Cascade and have ever been laid off, you should be doing something about it! The more that this subject surfaces and is made public the closer to solving the "real problem" we will be. If you are a Cascade Union member you need to pull your head out of your ass and look around you. Quit waiting for your union to do something for you. Because they ain't gonna. Do something for yourself. Because if you don't there will never be Commercial work @ Cascade. Or any work for that matter.
-if you are a Veteran you should also be doing something about this and talking about this as well. Think of all the scenerios of how this could affect you buddy or son/daughter out in the field.
-this is definately a security issue!!!!
Spread the word, and the #'s/email address.
-His office # and email address is as follows:
Mr. Ed Fast
-# (604)557-7888
-email address: ed@edfast.ca
also a reporter for THE ABBOTSFORD TIMES has given permission to give out her email address and # if you would like to contribute to the already pending story which should in the THE ABBOTSFORD TIMES as well as in the National News as well. Stories like these get picked up online and other media outlets snatch them up. Her office # and email address is as follows:
-Christina Toss:
-#(604)557-7888
-email address: ctoth@abbotsford times.com
This story should be out soon so look for it. If this is affecting you personaly you should be doing something about it before it becomes a never ending trend. If you have worked at Cascade and have ever been laid off, you should be doing something about it! The more that this subject surfaces and is made public the closer to solving the "real problem" we will be. If you are a Cascade Union member you need to pull your head out of your ass and look around you. Quit waiting for your union to do something for you. Because they ain't gonna. Do something for yourself. Because if you don't there will never be Commercial work @ Cascade. Or any work for that matter.
-if you are a Veteran you should also be doing something about this and talking about this as well. Think of all the scenerios of how this could affect you buddy or son/daughter out in the field.
-this is definately a security issue!!!!
Spread the word, and the #'s/email address.Member of Parliment eh? Shazaam!!!!
So, it was suggested that a member of Parliment be contacted. So, I inquired about that and found that Mr. Ed Fast is a member of Parliment for the Abbotsford area.
-His office # and email address is as follows:
Mr. Ed Fast
-# (604)557-7888
-email address: ed@edfast.ca
also a reporter for THE ABBOTSFORD TIMES has given permission to give out her email address and # if you would like to contribute to the already pending story which should in the THE ABBOTSFORD TIMES as well as in the National News as well. Stories like these get picked up online and other media outlets snatch them up. Her office # and email address is as follows:
-Christina Toth:
-#(604)557-7888
-email address: ctoth@abbotsford times.com
This story should be out soon so look for it. If this is affecting you personaly you should be doing something about it before it becomes a never ending trend. If you have worked at Cascade and have ever been laid off, you should be doing something about it! The more that this subject surfaces and is made public the closer to solving the "real problem" we will be. If you are a Cascade Union member you need to pull your head out of your ass and look around you. Quit waiting for your union to do something for you. Because they ain't gonna. Do something for yourself. Because if you don't there will never be Commercial work @ Cascade. Or any work for that matter.
-if you are a Veteran you should also be doing something about this and talking about this as well. Think of all the scenerios of how this could affect you buddy or son/daughter out in the field.
-this is definately a security issue!!!! Spread the word, and the #'s/email address.
-His office # and email address is as follows:
Mr. Ed Fast
-# (604)557-7888
-email address: ed@edfast.ca
also a reporter for THE ABBOTSFORD TIMES has given permission to give out her email address and # if you would like to contribute to the already pending story which should in the THE ABBOTSFORD TIMES as well as in the National News as well. Stories like these get picked up online and other media outlets snatch them up. Her office # and email address is as follows:
-Christina Toth:
-#(604)557-7888
-email address: ctoth@abbotsford times.com
This story should be out soon so look for it. If this is affecting you personaly you should be doing something about it before it becomes a never ending trend. If you have worked at Cascade and have ever been laid off, you should be doing something about it! The more that this subject surfaces and is made public the closer to solving the "real problem" we will be. If you are a Cascade Union member you need to pull your head out of your ass and look around you. Quit waiting for your union to do something for you. Because they ain't gonna. Do something for yourself. Because if you don't there will never be Commercial work @ Cascade. Or any work for that matter.
-if you are a Veteran you should also be doing something about this and talking about this as well. Think of all the scenerios of how this could affect you buddy or son/daughter out in the field.
-this is definately a security issue!!!!
Spread the word, and the #'s/email address.-
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plainfixer
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Why not ferry the aircraft to where these guys have homes and skip the expense of the middlemen ??? After all once if they can do the work up to standard in Canada they could do the work up to standard in their homeland. The FAA certifies repair stations all around the world .The airplanes fly all around the world .In a global market it does not make sense to seperate Families for long periods of time .Better to send the work where the skilled workers live .This would avoid the pretense that this work was being done by Canadian maintenance crews.The added advantage of very different enviormental rules as well .Perhaps it would build pride in the fillapino workforce as well knowing that someone is willing to trust them to work in their homeland.
A friend of mine took a large ship to the Dominican Republic to have work done as the shipyards in Halifax wanted too much money .They were using Dominican labour for the Asbestos removal in Halifax anyway .So why not send it to their hometown was the thinking .Everyone was happy the guys got home in their own beds more often .He skipped the middlemen by sailing down there and saved millions of dollars and about two months of time.
A friend of mine took a large ship to the Dominican Republic to have work done as the shipyards in Halifax wanted too much money .They were using Dominican labour for the Asbestos removal in Halifax anyway .So why not send it to their hometown was the thinking .Everyone was happy the guys got home in their own beds more often .He skipped the middlemen by sailing down there and saved millions of dollars and about two months of time.
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plainfixer
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That is already happening. Why do you think air canada purchased the heavy maintenance facility in south america?
United to China?
Delta to china?
Qantas to Singapore?
Heres another side of the coin for you to think about,
Why has HAECO all of a sudden opened up another heavy maintenance line in Hong Kong?
Why has American Airlines EXPANDED their maintenance capabilities?
Why has Air New Zealand decided to not send their heavy maintenance overseas? (remember they laid ALL of their heavy staff off in Auckland last year!!!)
All good cyclic stuff to think about.
United to China?
Delta to china?
Qantas to Singapore?
Heres another side of the coin for you to think about,
Why has HAECO all of a sudden opened up another heavy maintenance line in Hong Kong?
Why has American Airlines EXPANDED their maintenance capabilities?
Why has Air New Zealand decided to not send their heavy maintenance overseas? (remember they laid ALL of their heavy staff off in Auckland last year!!!)
All good cyclic stuff to think about.
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robert_edmoton
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Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
So whats happing at Cascade these days its been 6+ months since the last reply I hear story's that they still can not seam to get the C-130s out and they are backing up outside, something about 3 sloping longerons and still haven't got it right. is all this true are the Philippinos still there and how is the contractor situation now.
Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
The Filipino's are on there way out, I think they only have one group in right now. The the ex ac guys, from what i have heard around the hanagar have refused any recalls, and Alaska is up to 2-3 lines.
Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
Bunch of bull crap alot of AMEs out there who work in the north that would like to live in B.C. where it is warmer, hard to do this when cheap overseas labor is being brought in. What about the out of work AIR CANADA guys?? How does Cascade get away with this?? I am sympathetic to the fellow who lost his position there.
Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
What goes around comes around, Boys in Afghanistan will not not like the idea of cheap labour being brought in to overhaul the aircraft that supports thier missions and in some cases saves thier lives. I wonder how many officials and media know about this. "Headline, Air Canada guys laid off... have to move across the country to get work... yet cheap overseas labourers are now employed with Cascade so Cascade can save as much money as humanly possible on the work they put in on Canadian military aircraft" I do not think this is the same mantality they had in WW2. Like I said before, there is alot of AMEs out there who may like to live in a warmer climate, and need to make 70 000 a year to support thier families and lifestyle should have the first shot at employment with Cascade, I am surprised that Cascade as a company who has a contract to work on Canadian military aircraft does not carry this phylosophy.
Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
To Buck: I was in the Military and everything works in the chain of command, start at the bottom and if that does not work, go one step up, who to start with I do not know, I would like to help if I can, any ideas out there ??
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YEP I was one of them, was offered a position by a contractor ( met all the requirements and was told I was a great fit-M1/M2, Herc heavy maintenance 27 years in the biz), I applied for a full time job and never heard a word Cascade. SO if they are so hard up for help maybe they should look at who is applying for the jobs!!!boeingboy wrote:I don't know what it is with Cascade, but I know more than a few guys who were more than qualified and never even got interviewed. They are always crying for people but won't even interview some people.
It's like an old boys club or something.
And now they have started a new program - they are gearing up to convert CL-215's to turbine. Even more work - So they will really be short now.
I forgot Canadians are no longer required.
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Helicopters
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Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
I have heard that Cascade has never made a cent on these contracts. I've also heard that the very same people that put Cascade where it is now are landing jobs at Heli-One in Vancouver. Lord help these guys. The same talent that ruined Cascade is about to get into helicopters and finish them off as well.
Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
I believe thats one of "Murphys Laws".
Something about rising to the higest level of incompetence.
Something about rising to the higest level of incompetence.
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I also heard they are going to Singapore to recruit philippno's who work for Singapore airlines, cannot believe this is happening, also heard thet are paying them like 14 an hour. It is terrible what this is going to do for the market for AME's in this country. The moral in that place must must be S@#T.
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markymarkl
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Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
Cascade=bad business practices. End of story!
Contact your local member of parliament and demand the DND contracts be moved. I will be F$cked if I will see or military contract/tax dollars (when they suppose to create jobs for Canadians) go to another "Fu&king country because the f*cking company wants to f@ck us over for $$$$$$$$$$$.
I was under the impression this shit only happed in the US, boy I better grow up!
WOW I am done!
SORRY about the rant but this is bullshit!
Contact your local member of parliament and demand the DND contracts be moved. I will be F$cked if I will see or military contract/tax dollars (when they suppose to create jobs for Canadians) go to another "Fu&king country because the f*cking company wants to f@ck us over for $$$$$$$$$$$.
I was under the impression this shit only happed in the US, boy I better grow up!
WOW I am done!
SORRY about the rant but this is bullshit!
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Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
I thought Cascade stole ( lack of a better word) the contract from Spar. They had better lobbyists trying to get the government to spread the wealth with governments contracts and wanted a shot at bidding on it. They of course undercut Spar, refused to hire the guys whom they displaced by securing the contract and eventually had to admit they were not prepared and the government ended up going back to Spar to get the job done ( at a hell of alot more cost then if Spar had gotten the job to begin with) I am only regurgitating this knowledge as it has been explained to me by contractors who worked at both Spar and Cascade on the C130's. If im wrong or have my head up my ass on this one please set me straight.
How can you tell which one is the pilot when you walk into a bar?....Don't worry he will come up and tell you.
Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
I heard that Cascade is the middle of bargaining between the union and the company right now.
Still unsure on how it will go down.
So not getting an offer from Cascade may not be so devastating after all.
Still unsure on how it will go down.
So not getting an offer from Cascade may not be so devastating after all.
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CrazyCanadian
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Re: Asian imports replacing contractors at Cascade??
Sound like you boys are not up to snuff on things! The filipinos are getting union wage as they are regular employees now, not and I repeat not contractors!
Cascade has hired them direct.
As far as Air Canada and hiring the people from them that was layed off, I don't think many will get a job with Cascade as they do not want to get the dead wood from them, if you understand. That does not include everyone so don't get you pantys in a knot.
There are many companys that can't find good people and it is not surprissing that they will look elsewhere in the time of need for employees, this is even true for the USA.
The industry is changing and not many of the kids want to go into it for the pay as they don't care about the glory as it was years ago.
If you want to keep the jobs here in Canada then work an honest days work and help the others that work next to you, even the imports! Because if you don't work and you bitch and cry (not the same as standing up for yourself and voicing your opinion) then the companys and the jobs will go, maybe to HEACO ?
Just remember Walmart is hiring !!!
Cascade has hired them direct.
As far as Air Canada and hiring the people from them that was layed off, I don't think many will get a job with Cascade as they do not want to get the dead wood from them, if you understand. That does not include everyone so don't get you pantys in a knot.
There are many companys that can't find good people and it is not surprissing that they will look elsewhere in the time of need for employees, this is even true for the USA.
The industry is changing and not many of the kids want to go into it for the pay as they don't care about the glory as it was years ago.
If you want to keep the jobs here in Canada then work an honest days work and help the others that work next to you, even the imports! Because if you don't work and you bitch and cry (not the same as standing up for yourself and voicing your opinion) then the companys and the jobs will go, maybe to HEACO ?
Just remember Walmart is hiring !!!
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I saw this e-mail the other day and I thought it was quite appropriate...
AIN'T IT THE TRUTH!!?
Joe Smith started the day early, having set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN) for 6am. While his coffee pot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG).
He then put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), designer jeans (MADE IN
SINGAPORE) and tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA).
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA), he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much he could spend today. After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN) to the radio (MADE IN INDIA), he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY) filled it with GAS (from Saudi Arabia), and continued his search for a good paying CANADIAN JOB.
At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day checking his Computer (Made in Malaysia), Joe decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL), poured himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE), and turned on his TV (MADE IN INDONESIA), and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in NORTH AMERICA ...
AIN'T IT THE TRUTH!!?
Joe Smith started the day early, having set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN) for 6am. While his coffee pot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG).
He then put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), designer jeans (MADE IN
SINGAPORE) and tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA).
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA), he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much he could spend today. After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN) to the radio (MADE IN INDIA), he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY) filled it with GAS (from Saudi Arabia), and continued his search for a good paying CANADIAN JOB.
At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day checking his Computer (Made in Malaysia), Joe decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL), poured himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE), and turned on his TV (MADE IN INDONESIA), and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in NORTH AMERICA ...
