I have been giving these discussions we have here on Avcanada some thought and have come up with the opinion that there are only a few of who actually get into these discussions and a few hundred read and remain silent.
In the final analisys we seem to run through each subject in about five hundred hits and then move on to another flavour of the day.
My reason for this post is to make the comment that nothing concrete ever results from all this.
Just watch what happens with the pilot who is facing charges, soon we will tire of this newest topic and the industry will just continue on as before.
The same crooked operators will produce the paperwork showing they are in full compliance and Transport Canada will dutifully file this gabage that absolves them of accountibility and the killing fields will just keep on operating the same as always.
Makes me happy I'm getting out soon.
By the way I see ATAC will be holding their general meeting out here in the rain forest in November, anyone know how many accidents that outfit prevents?
Cat.
Circular mental mastrubating.
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Circular mental mastrubating.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Speaking as someone who listens/reads far more than he talks, I would say that something positive does come from the discussions.
There is numerous young impressionable pilots coming across this website and these discussions maybe their first contact with the industry outside of the flight school. Who knows, maybe they almost convinced themselves that Regency is a good idea, that all operators fly overweight etc. Not that I'm saying this board will change anybodys mind but at least it will give them some prespective.
It's nice to hear from the more experienced pilots out in the industry about some of the issues that we will be dealing with every day. And some of the discussions are actually educational. True there is a lot a crap out there and one must be smart enough to differentiate between an intelligent experienced pilot and Sweet and Juicy.
If change is going to happen in the industry, it's going to have to happen from the bottom up. Pilots as a group have to demand change or it will never happen, right now we are doing the typical Canadian thing, bitch about the shit going on but do nothing about it.
P.S.
Cat Driver, I've heard you utter the phrase "I'm glad I'm getting out of the industry". What about those of us getting in, is there any chance of finding any satisfaction, maybe if we somehow manage to avoid TC. Give us some hope
There is numerous young impressionable pilots coming across this website and these discussions maybe their first contact with the industry outside of the flight school. Who knows, maybe they almost convinced themselves that Regency is a good idea, that all operators fly overweight etc. Not that I'm saying this board will change anybodys mind but at least it will give them some prespective.
It's nice to hear from the more experienced pilots out in the industry about some of the issues that we will be dealing with every day. And some of the discussions are actually educational. True there is a lot a crap out there and one must be smart enough to differentiate between an intelligent experienced pilot and Sweet and Juicy.
If change is going to happen in the industry, it's going to have to happen from the bottom up. Pilots as a group have to demand change or it will never happen, right now we are doing the typical Canadian thing, bitch about the shit going on but do nothing about it.
P.S.
Cat Driver, I've heard you utter the phrase "I'm glad I'm getting out of the industry". What about those of us getting in, is there any chance of finding any satisfaction, maybe if we somehow manage to avoid TC. Give us some hope
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D5GRVTY :
I am glad I'm getting out of the commercial side because it is becomming more and more regulated by knee jerk, cover your ass kind of regulation.
Of course there is hope for your generation, you will be flying very reliable aircraft using excellent navigation aids, this down turn in the employment market is cyclical and we have seen it many times before.
I have had the privelage of living in an era of flying that progressed from WW2 aircraft to the modern equipment that we are now flying, it is really not possible to compare the two.
Do not get the wrong idea about my feelings concerning TC, my issue is only with those who make a mockery of the job they have by abusing it. I spent most of my career in aviation trying to ensure that the rules were followed and worked for the pilots, not against them.
Anyhow looking back I wouldn't trade it for anything, and looking foward I intend to quit flying overseas next year and semi retire with the PA11 I am building and intend to put on Amphib floats. I will then use it to pass on the things I have learned over the past fifty one years of flying.
Oh yeh, and I'm going to take a crack at the unlimited aerobatics competetions in Europe, why not?
I am glad I'm getting out of the commercial side because it is becomming more and more regulated by knee jerk, cover your ass kind of regulation.
Of course there is hope for your generation, you will be flying very reliable aircraft using excellent navigation aids, this down turn in the employment market is cyclical and we have seen it many times before.
I have had the privelage of living in an era of flying that progressed from WW2 aircraft to the modern equipment that we are now flying, it is really not possible to compare the two.
Do not get the wrong idea about my feelings concerning TC, my issue is only with those who make a mockery of the job they have by abusing it. I spent most of my career in aviation trying to ensure that the rules were followed and worked for the pilots, not against them.
Anyhow looking back I wouldn't trade it for anything, and looking foward I intend to quit flying overseas next year and semi retire with the PA11 I am building and intend to put on Amphib floats. I will then use it to pass on the things I have learned over the past fifty one years of flying.
Oh yeh, and I'm going to take a crack at the unlimited aerobatics competetions in Europe, why not?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Re: Circular mental mastrubating.
Well if I were one of the quiet ones just getting into aviation I am not sure comments like this would inspire me to become involved in a debate.... lots of pissing and moaning here for sure, all the while we point our fingers at the other guy saying that he has devalued the industry or made it unsafe somehow.Cat Driver wrote:I have been giving these discussions we have here on Avcanada some thought and have come up with the opinion that there are only a few of who actually get into these discussions and a few hundred read and remain silent.
My reason for this post is to make the comment that nothing concrete ever results from all this.
Makes me happy I'm getting out soon.
Cat.
I have made the comment before and I will say it again. Other industries that are predominately male oriented (ie. police, medical, firefighters....) all have a certain brotherhood value where one collegue will defend a brother. In aviation it is the exact opposite. The guy I work beside would rather stick a knife in my back to make an extra $100 or get that left seat job than support one of his kind. Right or wrong. Somewhere in aviation training ethics and morality have taken a backseat.
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God gave us 2 eyes, 2 ears and one mouth for a reason. More people would do better to do more reading than posting.
Now don't get me wrong, I am all for posting if it helps with the topic at hand but more often than not somebody talks to hear themselves talk, someone else flames them and the whole degenerates into the usual pile of ...
If there is nothing else to be said on a topic then let it die.
Perhaps more people should look at the maint. forum, rarely does it devolve into a waste of time. People should be able to ask questions without worrying about getting slapped.
Anyway, that is my turn at talking to hear myself talk.
Now don't get me wrong, I am all for posting if it helps with the topic at hand but more often than not somebody talks to hear themselves talk, someone else flames them and the whole degenerates into the usual pile of ...
If there is nothing else to be said on a topic then let it die.
Perhaps more people should look at the maint. forum, rarely does it devolve into a waste of time. People should be able to ask questions without worrying about getting slapped.
Anyway, that is my turn at talking to hear myself talk.
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Us wrench pullers are generally a less egostical group of people due to the nature of the job.
A lot of plots think that the public still holds them in the same "Hero " status that the early pilots were seen to be.
So it is not suprising that the wrench pullers are more civil towards each other.
Cat
A lot of plots think that the public still holds them in the same "Hero " status that the early pilots were seen to be.
So it is not suprising that the wrench pullers are more civil towards each other.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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To true, to true. I am continually amazed at how many pilots climb out of what ever they are flying that day and strut into the hanger like they just climbed out of a Sopwith Camel after a day of shooting down bad guys...
tis sad really.
And see, here I go flaming pilots, 2 eyes, 2 ears and 1 mouth
tis sad really.
And see, here I go flaming pilots, 2 eyes, 2 ears and 1 mouth
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yoyoma :
I had a phone call from Bert the owner of the aerobatic school last week and he said that PH-PEP the S2B he flys himself asked him where I was when he was out in the hangar the other day. Anyhow he is coming to Nanaimo for a couple of weeks and said he is going to give me some training on the finer points of aerobating my C150 Aerobat Taildragger. When I was in Holland I told him I was so fed up with the whole system here in Canada that I was selling the aerobat, he talked me out of it because he thinks it is a great toy and I should keep it.
Bert has been teaching and flying unlimited for 25 years, so if he thinks I should keep the Aerobat, who am I to argue?
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I had a phone call from Bert the owner of the aerobatic school last week and he said that PH-PEP the S2B he flys himself asked him where I was when he was out in the hangar the other day. Anyhow he is coming to Nanaimo for a couple of weeks and said he is going to give me some training on the finer points of aerobating my C150 Aerobat Taildragger. When I was in Holland I told him I was so fed up with the whole system here in Canada that I was selling the aerobat, he talked me out of it because he thinks it is a great toy and I should keep it.
Bert has been teaching and flying unlimited for 25 years, so if he thinks I should keep the Aerobat, who am I to argue?
http://www.wingsoverholland.nl
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Hey .
I used to have an aerobatic instructor rating and would have to agree to some extent with your wooden shoed friend. Your Aerobat however, being a texas taildragger, is probably more valuable than most because of the STC, why not sell it and get a biplane with a bit more power and an inverted system that you can fly in the owner maintenance category?
Barnstormers.com has many, like the Acrosport, Starduster and some Pitts S1's all costing less than your aerobat. Just a thought.
P.J.
I used to have an aerobatic instructor rating and would have to agree to some extent with your wooden shoed friend. Your Aerobat however, being a texas taildragger, is probably more valuable than most because of the STC, why not sell it and get a biplane with a bit more power and an inverted system that you can fly in the owner maintenance category?
Barnstormers.com has many, like the Acrosport, Starduster and some Pitts S1's all costing less than your aerobat. Just a thought.
P.J.
Looks good on paper, but will it fly?
Cat- I think that u put alot of good posts on this fourm. U are one of the more experinced pilots here, and alot of what u say helps the low timers. TC's motto- "Learn from the mistakes of others; you'll not live long enough to make them all yourself....." This site also helps in that way. I have only been in the industry for 5 years, but everyday I learn something new. Learning is life long, especially in aviation.
As far as violent flame people on here, its all fun and games, except when it comes to our hero CPT S&J. I think it shows our playful nature, that we don't have to be all bussiness all of the time. I for one was about to become an AME. I worked on engines for years, and took all of the pre-reqs for the AME course, and at the last minute took the CPL course. I didn't do it for the glamour or the glory, I did it because I love operating that machine. The ever changing enviroment, never the same situation, the speed, the freedom, the pure enjoyment of getting paid to do something u love to do. I could have been twisting wrenches in the trenches and havin just as much fun, getting paid even better to do what I enjoy. To say that the AME's don't razz each other is not 100% correct. They tease as much if not more in the shop. They don't have to portray the same degreee of professionalism as pilots, but still have to be proffesional.
So, on another note, how is the Nanaimo? I used to live there in summer 2000. Daily trips to Vic. What a beautiful place. Would like to live there again someday. What is the employment for pilots like on the island? Are there lots of operators around?
Cheers
As far as violent flame people on here, its all fun and games, except when it comes to our hero CPT S&J. I think it shows our playful nature, that we don't have to be all bussiness all of the time. I for one was about to become an AME. I worked on engines for years, and took all of the pre-reqs for the AME course, and at the last minute took the CPL course. I didn't do it for the glamour or the glory, I did it because I love operating that machine. The ever changing enviroment, never the same situation, the speed, the freedom, the pure enjoyment of getting paid to do something u love to do. I could have been twisting wrenches in the trenches and havin just as much fun, getting paid even better to do what I enjoy. To say that the AME's don't razz each other is not 100% correct. They tease as much if not more in the shop. They don't have to portray the same degreee of professionalism as pilots, but still have to be proffesional.
So, on another note, how is the Nanaimo? I used to live there in summer 2000. Daily trips to Vic. What a beautiful place. Would like to live there again someday. What is the employment for pilots like on the island? Are there lots of operators around?
Cheers
Catch & Release, Catch & Release
JD
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Evan :
Great, you just hang in there and read what everyone has to say.
None of us are really all that smart but we do have a brotherhood relationship due to our afflicion called love of flight.
Anytime you need to know something just ask, most of the guys and gals here are real good people who want to help.
And contrary to the attitude I very often display with regard to TC , most of them are also good people just trying to get through another day, just like us.
Cat
Great, you just hang in there and read what everyone has to say.
None of us are really all that smart but we do have a brotherhood relationship due to our afflicion called love of flight.
Anytime you need to know something just ask, most of the guys and gals here are real good people who want to help.
And contrary to the attitude I very often display with regard to TC , most of them are also good people just trying to get through another day, just like us.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
PPC = Pilot Proficiency Check.
by the way Evan, don't EVER be afraid or hesitate to ask ANY types of questions. Thats one of the main uses of this collaborative forum. There is even a forum group titled "questions". So ask away and use this tool the best you can. Don't take anything on here literal or concretely but rather use all the info and perspectives to generate your own.
sorry for side-tracking the thread fellas
by the way Evan, don't EVER be afraid or hesitate to ask ANY types of questions. Thats one of the main uses of this collaborative forum. There is even a forum group titled "questions". So ask away and use this tool the best you can. Don't take anything on here literal or concretely but rather use all the info and perspectives to generate your own.
sorry for side-tracking the thread fellas
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Well said Textbook, can't argue with anything you have written.
You are right about the shop floor getting a little out of hand at times but as you say, it is all in fun.
And there are times when I have found myself being a little less professional than I probably should have been, I think the phrase 'shit disturber' was used.
You are right about the shop floor getting a little out of hand at times but as you say, it is all in fun.
And there are times when I have found myself being a little less professional than I probably should have been, I think the phrase 'shit disturber' was used.
