PC12 or King Air 90?

[lyncher]

.. because a 1900 type rating is good on a 200.

You sure about that?

Yes, as a matter of fact

he's right they're not the same rating

[Phlyer]

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[Jim la Jungle]

Back to the original question....I say PIC time on a twin will open more doors afterwards in your career. It gives the chief pilot less room to argue whether you don't have enough this or that type of hours. So, I'd go Beech.

[giligan]

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[KAG]

As far as I know a beech 1900 D type rating is the same as king air 350 (their one in the same). A 1900 type rating is not usable on a 200 unless that has changed over the last year or 2.

[lyncher]

As far as I know a beech 1900 D type rating is the same as king air 350 (their one in the same). A 1900 type rating is not usable on a 200 unless that has changed over the last year or 2.

I really dunno about the D and the 350, but the 1900 and 200, I was told were.

[Doc]

The 1900 (either C or D) and the 200 most certainly are not the same rating. A company may have a deal going where they can renew IFRs on either one, switching each year. We did that at Austins with the DC3 and the 748.....sure as hell weren't the same type rating though.

Where do you come up with this, S. goose?

Sorry lyncher....you've been mis led. First off, the only reason a Be20 needs a type rating at all, is it's high performance. The 1900 needs one because it's over 12,500 pounds.

[Go Guns]

Then how come it says BE02, BE20, and BE3B (or BE30, they changed it to the 300's rating) on the back of my license and I did three different rides?

[KAG]

As far as I know a beech 1900 D type rating is the same as king air 350 (their one in the same). A 1900 type rating is not usable on a 200 unless that has changed over the last year or 2.

I really dunno about the D and the 350, but the 1900 and 200, yes.

I flew the 200 for 6 years, never have I been told that there one in the same type rating. If a King air 100 and 200 are different PPC's (but can be grouped after you hold each one and your company is approved for PPC grouping) then why would the 1900 and a 200 be the same. Are you typed on both, and is your company approved to group those 2 PPC's. If so it would be the first time I've heard of this.

[lyncher]

statement retracted then. someone told me they were the same.... or maybe it wasa dream

but then the 350 can be used towards a 1900D?

[Doc]

What's a Be02?

As I understand it, a 350 and a D are interchangeable. You only have to do a differences course. Ground training, maybe a flight. But no ride. I think the 300 is an orphan...should be lumped together with a C?

[Dog]

Be-02 is a 1900.

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[Snowgoose]

That's what Keewatin was doing the last time I heard. 1900 type rating is good on a 200, not the other way around. Just need a differences course and maybe some inflight training. Not sure the exact details.

D and C are the same type rating, only differences course. Don't quote me on this one but I don't think the 1900 type rating is good on a 350. I was looking into it but the people I was talking to said no.

[Snowgoose]

Back to the original question....I say PIC time on a twin will open more doors afterwards in your career. It gives the chief pilot less room to argue whether you don't have enough this or that type of hours. So, I'd go Beech.

That's not really the question. It was the all things considered equal thing. Two airplane sitting on a ramp which one do you hop in to do a sched run. Multi time will always make you more appealing (insurance companies especially)

Like I said before, PC-12. Cargo door, more speed, EFIS (unless you consider NG -90), and range are all better on the PC-12. The heater and A/C are top notch. There's even a coffee cup holder. Never seen one of those on a Beech, unless you consider the guard over the pressurization dial. But that always seemed to be hard on other electronics around it. (Ask the Skyward boys about the only BE20 with an autopilot)

[Campanola]

Simple question. Everything else being equal. Pay, work conditions, benefits, routes, vacation. EVERYTHING equal.
Would you rather take a job on a PC12, or a King Air 90?

100% King Air 90.

All forms that I had to fill to get a job or for the calculaton of seniority (when several pilots are hired at the same time), the flight time on single engine aircrafts was not as important as twin engine.

It's working with the type and amount of engine and weight of the airplane. The performance capability is not considered (speed, FL). Time on EFIS is not really important and useless if you don't have time on Twin turbine airplane. If your goal is not only the small aviation, you need time on twins.

It's just numbers in a graph, but that's how they work when it's time to choose 100 resumes out of 5000.

[co-joe]

When are all y'all gonna learn"

Think company NOT airplane

Pay, benefits, days of ( in whatever order you fancy). Who cares what kind of plane it is, how many engines it has, or whether the chicks dig it.

When are you gonna learn....to read? Re-read Docks original post.....then think of your post, no one has to learn anything...

I did read the question. The answer depends on who owns the PC-12 or the King Air 90. I'd be happy flying the one that has a good mix between schedule pay and benefits. Who cares which one is faster, looks cooler, burns less fuel, looks good on a resume, whatever. That's my opinion, take it or leave it. Both are great aircraft in the hands of the right operator. BE90 for ACA Vs PC-12 for the RCMP? Tough choice but living in YWM vs living in YEG is the determining factor, type is not important to me.

cheers yo.

[Go Guns]

What?? no no no... A 1900 rating is a 1900 rating, BE02. The operator has to do differences training if they operate both but there is no separate PPC. You still need to get a King Air 200 PPC if you're going to fly that, and a King Air 350 PPC if you're going to fly that (which is now the same as a King Air 300 I believe). Now, when it comes to renewing, you can group certain types together so you only have to do the training on one aircraft type to renew you on all the grouped types. Now, here's where the difference is between the 1900C and the D, as I understand it, feel free to correct me (not that I had to say that, I'm sure if I'm wrong it will be pointed out). If you do recurrency training on the 1900C, it will renew you on the D, as well as the King Air 200, 300, and 350. However, if you renew on the D model, you only renew your 1900 ppc. As said before, you can't just use your 1900 rating to cruise around in the entire King Air family.

[Jim la Jungle]

Snowgoose,

I understand all things being equal....but a BE-90 is not the same as a PC-12; they are both planes....but not the same. An orange and an apple are both fruits, but doesn't taste the same, right And i don't think Doc was talking about doing sched either. Maybe I didn't understand the question properly. Doc please, enlighten us.

[Cap'n P8]

It's not about whether the PPC's are grouped, it's the type rating specifically. If you look at the transport website that lists all the type designators, you will find a note on the 1900 which states that all you need to get a type rating on the 350 if you already hold the 1900 on your licence, is differences training and I believe high altitude training as well (for flight above FL250). It doesn't mention anything about the 200. I do think you will have to do separate PPC rides though to fly each a/c commercially.

I will try to find the link.

[Go Guns]

I find that hard to believe as I had just done an initial 1900 ride when I was sent away for 18 days to get my rating on the 350.

[Cap'n P8]

Okay, here we go:

type designators:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... t42102.htm

Type ratings which require ground training only:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... t42107.htm

Type ratings which require ground and flight training, but no PPC:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... t42108.htm

Next we have grouping PPC's for both 703 and 704:

703:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... 723a02.htm

704:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... 724a03.htm

[Cap'n P8]

I find that hard to believe as I had just done an initial 1900 ride when I was sent away for 18 days to get my rating on the 350.

Guess they were overly thorough! But as far as the CAR's are concerned a full type rating course was not required.

[Go Guns]

Hmm, fair enough. Thanks for looking it up.