703/704 recruits U/S to WJ

[Squid]

The bottom line it cares about the bottom line, the judgment of the pilot, the exposure to similar environments to which they fly. If the market affords them this, which it does, then why so depressed? You should have been around in the early 90's, obviously you weren't. People would have given their left nut to fly at Air Nova/BC/Ontario. Just too many dicks around with either parents getting them the job or thinking because they have 2000 hrs the aviation industry - it should serve them up a cushy seat. Ya I'm jealous of the industry right now, but I'm just too busy saving the cash to walk the line in 09. All the more power to WJ.

[express]

It just makes sense that If we can hire from tier three/corporate that we do so. My preference to the corporate The big thing is that they want to see you have had a wide range of experience. So rather than being "depressed" get yer butt out there and try for one of these jobs. (Corporate can be a lot of fun you know!)

[co-joe]

Sure it can. It just pisses me off that every time I get close to the next goal, the target moves. When I had 200 hours you needed 500. When I finally instructed my way to 500, you needed a thousand. When I got a thousand and some multi you needed 1500, and when I got 1500 September 11th happened. Then you needed 500 multi PIC, or time on type, or a type rating...

It just never stops. Now you need jet time to get a jet job??? How much do you want to bet that if I signed the 30K bond for a citation that pays 30 grand for the right seat tomorrow the industry will fall apart again... Then by the time they are hiring again you'll need Jet PIC by the thousands. And then I'll be overqualified all of a sudden and they'll hire Seneca grads with 200 hours...

[co-joe]

Oh well, patience is a virtue right?

[seafeye]

I can speak for the airline i work for in the US.
We fly CRJ's and hiring a ton of new/green pilots straight out of school.
The company is now figuring that it will have a 50% failure rate of the new pilots.
Training costs have skyrocketed but the pay is so bad that it is just offset. We are
also having difficulty upgrading F/O's to Captains. Not that they aren't the right stuff
but they have to be a 140% when they get on the line because they are going
to be flying with the 300hr newbies. Part Captain/Part Flight Instructor.
As for the 1900 guy/girl. I can see that decision making is a large portion
of the job. So yes the 5 airports are repititive the job does change. Each flight
is something new. Although if i was doing the hiring i would like to see a well rounded
flying career not just somebody that bought their job.

[twinpratts]

It is what it is... and the bottom line is there are over 800 applications in the system that have internal refs right now, and like a total of 2500 trying to get in. So they can take who they think will work best. The program seems to be working...

[Four1oh]

Westjet doesn't have a problem with too few resumes with too few experienced drivers. It's the opposite, a good problem to have.

[ALT SEL]

What does 42000K a year have to do with the guys skills c-j?

[co-joe]

Just that I can't afford to fly for them.

Tell me why 1900 flying at CMA is so much more valuable to WestJet than the exact same hours at Sunwest, Cariboo, or Pasco which pay 60K a year?

[Four1oh]

do we need another economics lesson, class? You know about supply and demand, don't you?

[jjj]

Co-joe

A corporate dude at Sunwest will score quite high on the Matrix - so will a dude from Pasco - so I'm not sure what your beef is.

Y'know Co-joe, it is what it is. The present candidate selection process is not perfect but it seems to work for us. Every airline has it's quirks - knowing the weight of an RB211 powerplant won't make you a better pilot but you better damn know it if you want to work at Cathay. There was also a time when a person had to suck up to a certain lady in HR at Air Canada if you wanted to work there. Some airlines have little competitions with a predetermined failure rate in the final round of the selection process even if everybody is qualified. Some airlines prefer their own ab initio program and some airlines don't hire girls - the list goes on.

The bottom line is that each company can do whatever they damn well please to manage their recruitment. It doesn't have to be fair from your perspective nor does it even have to make sense.

Like I said - it is what it is - getting pissy about it is a waste of time.

Things are a lot better for pilots these days than when I started so you will find that my sympathy level is low.

Hey look at that - I just made a post without any f-bombs!!!!


jjj

[flyinhigh]

removed cause I was to dumb to realize there was more than one page of the topic