Nark wrote:Do you know if any 13 year olds have gotten past the breathalizer/ignition device? I doubt it.
Actually most people can get passed a hand held Breathalyzer if they know the science behind them and have good mental control. (However in the interest of not promoting drinking and driving im not going to tell people how to go about it,) That being said nark if your interested PM me and ill tell you all about it!
HOWEVER back to cars, no I do not personally know any 13 year olds whom have bypassed a Breathalyzer ignition device, actually iv never seen one in real life, that being said I bet I could have it on a hidden bypass switch inside of 60 minutes, and im not all that clever.
The point i was making about the 13 year old was in reference to the computer age and the speed at which information can be disseminated; such a device is likely only going to be installed on new vehicles, most likely they aren't going to be pissing around with servos/solenoids etc, more likely its going to follow a similar tract thats used on bait cars, where a command is given to the ECU to gradually limit engine power. The system will likely be a remote mounted unit that calculates GPS data, makes a judgment as to vehicular speed and thus sends ECU commands.
Im my totally non expert opinion having only ever heard of this device today I would suggest there are numerous points that could be exploited:
1) (as per the 13year old reference) If you are computer literate, simply rewrite the ECU software and re flash the EPROM with an updated version, have a limiting switch so say, the system is usually armed, unless you engage the rear defrost, with the window lock ON, or some such thing, so it is not immediately visible to someone inspecting the car that anything is out of the ordinary.
2) put something in line from the limiting module to the ECU to interrupt its ability to send data
3) jam, cover, or install something in line to interrupt the GPS sensor (the cars still got to work when your in a tunnle or if the GPS network goes down right?
4) The system may or may not use the GPS data to determine speed, if it is using the cars speedo to determine speed, then bypass the speedo (not that thats a terribly clever thing to do.)
HOWEVER more to the point of the issue (although the above is fun banter it really accomplishes nothing) I think what perturbs me (and most here) is the idea of government interfering in my things or life. I honestly have no issue with a Breathalyzer/lock device installed on offenders cars, nor do I have a problem with a speeding device on a habitual speeders car. What bothers me is the issue of what will happen 5-10-15-20 years from now, just as fingerprints and genetic data collect started out only for serious offenders, over the years it has come to be used on less serious offenders, then people who were charged but not convicted, and now many people who are not criminals are being subjected to what really in many ways is being seen as an Orwellian state. I suppose perhaps I have a very different sense of freedom than some people. Personally I would rather run the faint risk of some nutjob trying to blow me up in a coffee shop over handing over all of the rights and freedoms "I" feel those whom came before me fought and died to produce. I have no doubt that whomever comes up with "most" of these ideas thinks they are doing something positive, but I really must admit I think a lot of unintended harm comes about from misguided logic and thoughtlessness of action before examination.
For example in BC now they are rolling out a beta project for RFID tag'd DLs, for this whole fortress America BS. Well ok, cool, fine nice idea but there are serious security flaws with RFID, irregardless of if "the man" is going to try and track me etc... a nefarious morally flexible individual could have a field day walking around with a palm pilot in her/his bag snatching RFID packets out of the air all day long, after a day of walking though the mall go home and sell the info to some jerkoff in Tennessee whos more than happy to pay $0.25 a head for 10000 names, addresses, DL numbers, Date of birth, height, weight, hair color, eye color, photo in jpg and whatever other mumbo jumbo they decided to toss in there.
but dear god no, don't suggest someone may have dropped the ball here, because the hotshot lobbyists at Intermec tell us its all ok, and please don't cancel our $150 million contract.....
Anywho.... Iv been drinking (but I walked home) its time for bed, -end rant
PS I rocked my IO exam today YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
