Canadian loses battle for 'Jerusalem, Israel' passport

[CID]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080214/wl ... anpolitics

I don't know why he doesn't just do what other Israelis did in the past and make his own Canadian passport.

[bob sacamano]

I don't know why he doesn't just do what other Israelis did in the past and make his own Canadian passport.

awesome

Isn't it just lovely the type of new Canadian citizens that we're getting. Look at this moron in the article, he is already in court battles with his new government over something that has to deal with his old government. You like israel so much, go live there, we don't want you in Canada. Instead of being a useful citizen in his new country, he is already in courts against it.

GO BACK TO israel! or go to the u.s. they will put israel on your passport.

[Nark]

One again Bob you've shown your ignorance.

It's not ISREAL he's desputing, its Jerusalem.

FYI My American passport simply has "Canada" as my place of birth, not the city or province. The same would apply to any foreign born citizen.

[CID]

I think Bob has a valid point. I didn't detect any ignorance. The fellow in question is the one who insists on associating Jerusalem with Israel.

Canada is a responsible international entity who understands what a passport is and what disputed areas are.

The passport office is not not there to fight some other country's battles. I agree with Bob. If this guy feels so strongly about it, he needs to go get himself an Israeli passport. Not a Canadian one.

This issue is akin to someone requesting his passport read "Paris, England" because he doesn't personally recognize France's claim to the city.

[JakeYYZ]

I’d like to know who provided the funding for this Supreme Court challenge.

[Nark]

You, the tax payer.

Supreme Court rulings are important to those who want clarification on the laws of the land. Next time someone wants to despute whether the city and country pair are correct, they can look to this ruling and save $$$ and time.

[Siddley Hawker]

I'm genuinely curious here. If Jerusalem isn't in Israel, then in what country is it?

[Vickers vanguard]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080214/wl ... anpolitics

I don't know why he doesn't just do what other Israelis did in the past and make his own Canadian passport.

Priceless !!! very CID

[altiplano]

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[bob sacamano]

One again Bob you've shown your ignorance.

It's not ISREAL he's desputing, its Jerusalem.

FYI My American passport simply has "Canada" as my place of birth, not the city or province. The same would apply to any foreign born citizen.

Your ignorance radar pick up a target did it. Well you better shoot 'er down right away maverick.

FYI, I'm out of toilet paper, mind if I use your american passport?

[niss]

Matas argued unsuccessfully in federal court that Canada allows people to choose which state appears in their passport if a birth city is in disputed territory.

But Jerusalem is an exception to this policy.

I think this is a very valid point, why is Jerusalem the only city exempt from this policy?

[bob sacamano]

Matas argued unsuccessfully in federal court that Canada allows people to choose which state appears in their passport if a birth city is in disputed territory.

But Jerusalem is an exception to this policy.

I think this is a very valid point, why is Jerusalem the only city exempt from this policy?

It's an anti-semitic conspiracy.

[niss]

Matas argued unsuccessfully in federal court that Canada allows people to choose which state appears in their passport if a birth city is in disputed territory.

But Jerusalem is an exception to this policy.

I think this is a very valid point, why is Jerusalem the only city exempt from this policy?

It's an anti-semitic conspiracy.

I knew I could count on you for providing a insightful answer to a legitamate question, thanks for coming out.

[2R]

What will he do after Iran wipes Israel off the map ???


Ask for : East smoking hole , Middle large glass parking lot

[Nark]

FYI, I'm out of toilet paper, mind if I use your american passport?

Sure, come and get it.

[Siddley Hawker]

Why do you think the jews and palestinians don't get along? Israel was carved out of someone else's country and home... They still haven't gotten over it...

That state of affairs would apply to any North or South American country also. The map does answer my question though. If Jerusalem was part of the West Bank, then prior to 1967 the city was part of Jordan.

[JakeYYZ]

You, the tax payer.

Supreme Court rulings are important to those who want clarification on the laws of the land. Next time someone wants to despute whether the city and country pair are correct, they can look to this ruling and save $$$ and time.

Yes, sometimes that is the case. My understanding is that the courts can decide to
“advance-costs” if they determine the importance of the case is such that it should
not be forfeit because of lack of funds. That is only on the table (not guaranteed), if
they decide to hear the case. Or, if the decision in your case is favorable, you are awarded costs.
You pay your own ‘freight’ to get to this point.
Could have been the putz, himself..doubt it. Could be his lawyer was “pro-bono”..doubt it.
Sounds more like Bernie and the CJC.

[Shi]

I think Bob has a valid point. I didn't detect any ignorance. The fellow in question is the one who insists on associating Jerusalem with Israel.

Canada is a responsible international entity who understands what a passport is and what disputed areas are.

The passport office is not not there to fight some other country's battles. I agree with Bob. If this guy feels so strongly about it, he needs to go get himself an Israeli passport. Not a Canadian one.

This issue is akin to someone requesting his passport read "Paris, England" because he doesn't personally recognize France's claim to the city.

Can I disagree for a second.

First of all - as you can see, I'm new here. I googled "Jerusalem as place of birth in passports" and ended up here. Why did I google for it? because I wanted to explain someone here - I live in San Francisco - why my American passport only lists Jerusalem as a place of birth, with no country next to it.

As a dual citizen, who lived in Israel for many years, but comes from an American family with a rich history in the US and currently living here, I find your comment - "If this guy feels so strongly about it, he needs to go get himself an Israeli passport. Not a Canadian one." very insulting.

I'm an American, and I'm very proud to be one. But I'm also Israeli, I've been born and raised in Jerusalem, and regardless of the political debate over it (which I understand - to a point) that led to the omission of the country's name, during the years of my life Jerusalem was a part of Israel (and the question, in this matter, is not whether it should be. It is just technical). It's hard for me too, to see that in my passport. Just Jerusalem, because it's my city and it's my country and I hold both dear.

But identities are complexed. While I'm not an immigrant like the person in question, but a citizen of birth, and therefore haven't "asked" anyone to make me their citizen, I think that whatever the circumstances are, it is wrong to demand of someone to give up on their heritage and history just because they are in a new country. The person didn't ask something unreasonable like "make all the signs in Canada in Hebrew too because MY first language is Hebrew", which is equal, by the way to your "Paris, England" example.

He asked his place of birth - and again, I agree that it is a tough subject - to be recognized. Unlike your Paris, England example, he had not arbitrary decide that he wants "Israel" to appear on his passport, he actually has some basis for his claims, like the state of Israel - a state recognized by Canada, or the US for that matter - making Jerusalem its capital from the day of the country's establishment.

And as far as the historical questions on this thread: Until 1967 Jerusalem was split, partially Jordanian, partially Israeli. Before that, there were always both Jews and Arabs on the land, and I hope that one day we will all learn to get along.

[bob sacamano]

I think Bob has a valid point. I didn't detect any ignorance. The fellow in question is the one who insists on associating Jerusalem with Israel.

Canada is a responsible international entity who understands what a passport is and what disputed areas are.

The passport office is not not there to fight some other country's battles. I agree with Bob. If this guy feels so strongly about it, he needs to go get himself an Israeli passport. Not a Canadian one.

This issue is akin to someone requesting his passport read "Paris, England" because he doesn't personally recognize France's claim to the city.

Can I disagree for a second.

First of all - as you can see, I'm new here. I googled "Jerusalem as place of birth in passports" and ended up here. Why did I google for it? because I wanted to explain someone here - I live in San Francisco - why my American passport only lists Jerusalem as a place of birth, with no country next to it.

As a dual citizen, who lived in Israel for many years, but comes from an American family with a rich history in the US and currently living here, I find your comment - "If this guy feels so strongly about it, he needs to go get himself an Israeli passport. Not a Canadian one." very insulting.

I'm an American, and I'm very proud to be one. But I'm also Israeli, I've been born and raised in Jerusalem, and regardless of the political debate over it (which I understand - to a point) that led to the omission of the country's name, during the years of my life Jerusalem was a part of Israel (and the question, in this matter, is not whether it should be. It is just technical). It's hard for me too, to see that in my passport. Just Jerusalem, because it's my city and it's my country and I hold both dear.

But identities are complexed. While I'm not an immigrant like the person in question, but a citizen of birth, and therefore haven't "asked" anyone to make me their citizen, I think that whatever the circumstances are, it is wrong to demand of someone to give up on their heritage and history just because they are in a new country. The person didn't ask something unreasonable like "make all the signs in Canada in Hebrew too because MY first language is Hebrew", which is equal, by the way to your "Paris, England" example.

He asked his place of birth - and again, I agree that it is a tough subject - to be recognized. Unlike your Paris, England example, he had not arbitrary decide that he wants "Israel" to appear on his passport, he actually has some basis for his claims, like the state of Israel - a state recognized by Canada, or the US for that matter - making Jerusalem its capital from the day of the country's establishment.

And as far as the historical questions on this thread: Until 1967 Jerusalem was split, partially Jordanian, partially Israeli. Before that, there were always both Jews and Arabs on the land, and I hope that one day we will all learn to get along.

Welcome to our Canadian Aviation Forum.

Thanks for the post, here's a quick question I'll toss at ya bud;

- What does a Palestinian emigrant get stamped on his new passport in Canada or the U.S., or any country in the world as a place of birth?

Let's say that said Palestinian was born and raised on the land where his family has lived for years in Palestine. So that land is very dear to him, his heritage and history, etc. etc. etc.

[bob sacamano]

FYI, I'm out of toilet paper, mind if I use your american passport?

Sure, come and get it.

(/start hick-cowboy accent) a personal invitation to eye-raq! can I ride around with ya and shoot some eye-raqi terrorists??? Or are you in the stan? Man I'd sure love to ride around kandahar and look for that bin laden myself! (/end cowboy-hick accent).

b

[niss]

I think Bob has a valid point. I didn't detect any ignorance. The fellow in question is the one who insists on associating Jerusalem with Israel.

Canada is a responsible international entity who understands what a passport is and what disputed areas are.

The passport office is not not there to fight some other country's battles. I agree with Bob. If this guy feels so strongly about it, he needs to go get himself an Israeli passport. Not a Canadian one.

This issue is akin to someone requesting his passport read "Paris, England" because he doesn't personally recognize France's claim to the city.

Can I disagree for a second.

First of all - as you can see, I'm new here. I googled "Jerusalem as place of birth in passports" and ended up here. Why did I google for it? because I wanted to explain someone here - I live in San Francisco - why my American passport only lists Jerusalem as a place of birth, with no country next to it.

As a dual citizen, who lived in Israel for many years, but comes from an American family with a rich history in the US and currently living here, I find your comment - "If this guy feels so strongly about it, he needs to go get himself an Israeli passport. Not a Canadian one." very insulting.

I'm an American, and I'm very proud to be one. But I'm also Israeli, I've been born and raised in Jerusalem, and regardless of the political debate over it (which I understand - to a point) that led to the omission of the country's name, during the years of my life Jerusalem was a part of Israel (and the question, in this matter, is not whether it should be. It is just technical). It's hard for me too, to see that in my passport. Just Jerusalem, because it's my city and it's my country and I hold both dear.

But identities are complexed. While I'm not an immigrant like the person in question, but a citizen of birth, and therefore haven't "asked" anyone to make me their citizen, I think that whatever the circumstances are, it is wrong to demand of someone to give up on their heritage and history just because they are in a new country. The person didn't ask something unreasonable like "make all the signs in Canada in Hebrew too because MY first language is Hebrew", which is equal, by the way to your "Paris, England" example.

He asked his place of birth - and again, I agree that it is a tough subject - to be recognized. Unlike your Paris, England example, he had not arbitrary decide that he wants "Israel" to appear on his passport, he actually has some basis for his claims, like the state of Israel - a state recognized by Canada, or the US for that matter - making Jerusalem its capital from the day of the country's establishment.

And as far as the historical questions on this thread: Until 1967 Jerusalem was split, partially Jordanian, partially Israeli. Before that, there were always both Jews and Arabs on the land, and I hope that one day we will all learn to get along.

Welcome to our Canadian Aviation Forum.

Thanks for the post, here's a quick question I'll toss at ya bud;

- What does a Palestinian emigrant get stamped on his new passport in Canada or the U.S., or any country in the world as a place of birth?

Let's say that said Palestinian was born and raised on the land where his family has lived for years in Palestine. So that land is very dear to him, his heritage and history, etc. etc. etc.

There are tons of people with a Palestinian passport both before and after your nakba, but if the palestinian was born in the west bank, he had a Jordanian passport.

Worth noting that Palestinians now have Palestinian passports.

[Dust Devil]

you know maybe we should just place the blame where this belongs......The Germans.

[CID]

As a dual citizen, who lived in Israel for many years, but comes from an American family with a rich history in the US and currently living here, I find your comment - "If this guy feels so strongly about it, he needs to go get himself an Israeli passport. Not a Canadian one." very insulting.

It’s your right to feel insulted by my comments. However, it’s not your right to set my country’s policies. So, go ahead and feel insulted but if you take issue with Canada’s passport policy, don’t get a Canadian passport. It won’t be the first time I hear of an Israeli being out of step with international policy.

You feel you have a basis for your opinion. I’m sure there are plenty of Palestinians that have a basis for their opinion that Israel shouldn’t even exist. That doesn’t mean that Canadians agree. (or disagree for that matter) It’s Israel’s fight, not ours.

A significant element of my original post dealt with Israel’s official disrespect for Canada when the government confessed they forged Canadian passports to support their intelligence agencies. You want to talk about being insulted? Israel showed an incredible contempt for Canada and our sovereignty. They harmed our international reputation and seriously affected international confidence in our passport that we’ve earned over the years.

Personally, if I had the power at the time I would have suspended recognition of Israeli passports until they demonstrated an appropriate degree of regret and offered assurances that it wouldn’t happen again. Instead I sat and listened as Israeli officials openly and unabashedly explained that they were justified in what amounts to international criminal activity.

I don't trust the Israeli government and I'm very suspicious of fervent supporters of Israel and in particular their disputed territorial claims and their support of settlers in disputed territories.

The person didn't ask something unreasonable like "make all the signs in Canada in Hebrew too because MY first language is Hebrew", which is equal, by the way to your "Paris, England" example.

Shi,

You have an odd understanding of what the word "equal" means. Your hebrew sign example isn't even "similar" to the "Paris, England" example I raised.

[niss]

Israel isnt the only one using our passports.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ ... 1SEC674727

Spies Love Canadian Passports

Among the cloak-and-dagger crowd, it has long been coveted as the passport of choice. Inoffensive, multi-ethnic and untainted by any past history of imperial sin, the small blue booklet with Canada’s gold coat of arms on its cover has masked a multitude of misdeeds in the shadowy world of international espionage. "Israeli agents are not the only people with a fondness for Canadian passports," confides a veteran warrior of Canada’s clandestine services. "The Germans use it to document their illegals, the Russians use it to document their illegals, the British have done it for the same reason, even the Americans have been known to use it on more than one occasion."

Besides as I understand the CDN government looked the other way until they were caught, it was a small price to pay on Canadas part for information sharing.

[CID]

Israel isnt the only one using our passports.

Lots of people smoke crack too niss. Do you have any other examples of international crimes that legitmize what Israel does?

Besides as I understand the CDN government looked the other way until they were caught, it was a small price to pay on Canadas part for information sharing.

What information were we sharing? How to sneak in to other countries illegally to assassinate people?