The Bloodhound Gang would have solved this ages ago...... Am I dating myself??? Lol
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Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
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She has him tied to the bed ,that is why he is not posting much here lately .He is posting something else somewhere else
When she takes the ball gag off he may phone his friends for rescue
When she takes the ball gag off he may phone his friends for rescue
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This has been an interesting thread. One has to notice that this thread of the accident with West Coast has over 125 replies and over 3611 views while the Cargo jet incident/accident in Hamilton has only one response and 643 views. They both hit trees while wrestling with fog while on approach or during missed approach. Both incidents are significant and eventually when the official reports come out they will both hopefully be comprehensive and complete and we can all learn from them.
But why this huge difference in attention both these incidents are getting? Is it because one was flying IFR in a VFR aircraft? That tree just didn't jump in front of the 727.
I am not defending WCA at all here as I now know the management of this outfit is even more diabolical than those bums over at Air Canada, and the worst I have seen in over 40 years in aviation. I attended a meeting last year with Rick Baxter and a number of other pilots when Rick stated he could not keep the airline viable if the pilots put any more time in the logbook than 30 minutes for a YHC-YWH flight and vice-versa. He was counseling the pilots to falsify log book records, if they did not want to see the company go broke. They had several in flight engine failures last year, way more than industry standard would indicate. Perhaps this is due to these engines not being properly serviced, and inadequate attention from the regulator. One thing I do know, is the shutdowns were all handled with professionalism by the pilots involved. They are good, because they have to be. While the CP is a brain dead jerk that apparently has had no communication with Baxter in over 2 years, and the Flt Ops director is not even checked out on any on the aircraft, the guys doing the twin otter training are some of the best I have seen in the business and are holding the whole operation together.
Not withstanding all this, a major corporation I do some contract work for on occasion has sent out a missive to their executives, not to fly on WCA any longer. They will continue to lose business, just as they have lost almost all of the Baxter business after the merger.
Do either of these pilots or crews deserve to be fired? IMHO, no. We all learn from our mistakes and most of the guys I know that have been flying the coast for years have been in very similar predicaments. But one also must wonder why one incident hit the CADORS immediately, and the other took several days. If this SMS system is ever going to work, comprehensive and timely reporting is necessary.
But why this huge difference in attention both these incidents are getting? Is it because one was flying IFR in a VFR aircraft? That tree just didn't jump in front of the 727.
I am not defending WCA at all here as I now know the management of this outfit is even more diabolical than those bums over at Air Canada, and the worst I have seen in over 40 years in aviation. I attended a meeting last year with Rick Baxter and a number of other pilots when Rick stated he could not keep the airline viable if the pilots put any more time in the logbook than 30 minutes for a YHC-YWH flight and vice-versa. He was counseling the pilots to falsify log book records, if they did not want to see the company go broke. They had several in flight engine failures last year, way more than industry standard would indicate. Perhaps this is due to these engines not being properly serviced, and inadequate attention from the regulator. One thing I do know, is the shutdowns were all handled with professionalism by the pilots involved. They are good, because they have to be. While the CP is a brain dead jerk that apparently has had no communication with Baxter in over 2 years, and the Flt Ops director is not even checked out on any on the aircraft, the guys doing the twin otter training are some of the best I have seen in the business and are holding the whole operation together.
Not withstanding all this, a major corporation I do some contract work for on occasion has sent out a missive to their executives, not to fly on WCA any longer. They will continue to lose business, just as they have lost almost all of the Baxter business after the merger.
Do either of these pilots or crews deserve to be fired? IMHO, no. We all learn from our mistakes and most of the guys I know that have been flying the coast for years have been in very similar predicaments. But one also must wonder why one incident hit the CADORS immediately, and the other took several days. If this SMS system is ever going to work, comprehensive and timely reporting is necessary.
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kg;
Hard to figure out just what you are condoning here. If the crews at this company are operating by falsifying logbook entries, they are every bit as much to blame as the management that asks them to do it. And if that is being asked, there is surely much more going on.
Obviously there are those that have posted here trying to deflect company responsibility, those that stated the a/c was trucked to Campbell River, when it is obvious that it was flown.
This is like the Beaver that was hot submereged last year and miraculously was flown back to the hangar two days later. Everybody stated what a great bunch of guys they were and I don't doubt it, but that does not absolve people of responsibility.
This entire matter stinks to high heaven and if anybody in this country thinks that the umbrella of SMS is going to change things other than the amount off cash collected by enforcement, they are smoking the wrong tobacco.
carholme
Hard to figure out just what you are condoning here. If the crews at this company are operating by falsifying logbook entries, they are every bit as much to blame as the management that asks them to do it. And if that is being asked, there is surely much more going on.
Obviously there are those that have posted here trying to deflect company responsibility, those that stated the a/c was trucked to Campbell River, when it is obvious that it was flown.
This is like the Beaver that was hot submereged last year and miraculously was flown back to the hangar two days later. Everybody stated what a great bunch of guys they were and I don't doubt it, but that does not absolve people of responsibility.
This entire matter stinks to high heaven and if anybody in this country thinks that the umbrella of SMS is going to change things other than the amount off cash collected by enforcement, they are smoking the wrong tobacco.
carholme
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If I may point out kg, the CargoJet accident has been assigned a Class 3 by the TSB, and a Minister's Observer has been appointed to "obtain timely information relevant to the Minister's responsibilities for safety and to contribute to the identification and evaluation of hazards". A full public report should, therefore, ultimately be issued by the TSB and TCCA will (hopefully) act upon any systemic issues identified.
The WCA accident, on the other hand, has been assigned a Class 5 by the TSB, possibly meaning no MinOB has been appointed either. The TSB, according to the article, has already completed their investigation. Class 5 occurences do not normally have reports made public. From what I can tell (from my own experience), the TSB may write to a relevent agency regarding findings, but those findings will not be written up in an official, public report.
See My diatribe for the day: Accident Investigation
I agree with you, comprehensive and timely reporting is neccessary to SMS. Right now, the system is broken and needs to be fixed.
The WCA accident, on the other hand, has been assigned a Class 5 by the TSB, possibly meaning no MinOB has been appointed either. The TSB, according to the article, has already completed their investigation. Class 5 occurences do not normally have reports made public. From what I can tell (from my own experience), the TSB may write to a relevent agency regarding findings, but those findings will not be written up in an official, public report.
See My diatribe for the day: Accident Investigation
I agree with you, comprehensive and timely reporting is neccessary to SMS. Right now, the system is broken and needs to be fixed.
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Re: Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
carholme:
Just to clarify I certainly do not condone the practice of falsifying log book records,nor did I state that I did. What any other pilot decided to do about Rick's statement that he'd go broke if anyone logged more than 30 minutes/flight leg and whether or not they, perhaps thinking that they would make more money if Rick made more, or if the company had less engine expenses, is their business. I kept my own records and while the flight in perfect conditions can be made in 30 minutes, it seldom is. I just think when Transport does an audit, they should perhaps be looking at these sort of issues.
As far as I am concerned this sort of thing takes aviation back to the dark ages. Perhaps that is one of the reasons that the incident at WCA is receiving so much more attention than the one at Cargojet. People are starting to realize how dangerous this operation is becoming.
Just to clarify I certainly do not condone the practice of falsifying log book records,nor did I state that I did. What any other pilot decided to do about Rick's statement that he'd go broke if anyone logged more than 30 minutes/flight leg and whether or not they, perhaps thinking that they would make more money if Rick made more, or if the company had less engine expenses, is their business. I kept my own records and while the flight in perfect conditions can be made in 30 minutes, it seldom is. I just think when Transport does an audit, they should perhaps be looking at these sort of issues.
As far as I am concerned this sort of thing takes aviation back to the dark ages. Perhaps that is one of the reasons that the incident at WCA is receiving so much more attention than the one at Cargojet. People are starting to realize how dangerous this operation is becoming.
frog
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kg;
Then why is it that this company, who now apparently has a union cannot seek the protection of that union and down tools until the mess that they are supposed to operate in, is cleaned up? They will now have a rep in the shop to deal with their problems which should be presented to management, illegal practices being one of them, if indeed this is the case as purported by others in this thread. Then on the other hand, maybe safety and legal operations take second place to getting more money. Maybe the original reasons for wanting a union were totally self-serving, rather than to improve the operation.
In the end, you can belittle the management all you want but if the employees are willing to go along and participate in activities which are questionable, they are as much to blame. So if management wants the employees doing things the wrong way and the employees are willing to do it, hardly a surprise that the regulator can do any enforcing. But
watch the rats abandon ship when the big one happens.
What a sick business.
carholme
Then why is it that this company, who now apparently has a union cannot seek the protection of that union and down tools until the mess that they are supposed to operate in, is cleaned up? They will now have a rep in the shop to deal with their problems which should be presented to management, illegal practices being one of them, if indeed this is the case as purported by others in this thread. Then on the other hand, maybe safety and legal operations take second place to getting more money. Maybe the original reasons for wanting a union were totally self-serving, rather than to improve the operation.
In the end, you can belittle the management all you want but if the employees are willing to go along and participate in activities which are questionable, they are as much to blame. So if management wants the employees doing things the wrong way and the employees are willing to do it, hardly a surprise that the regulator can do any enforcing. But
watch the rats abandon ship when the big one happens.
What a sick business.
carholme
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Re: Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
The falsifying of journey logs is a serious offense, it was one of the tols I used when I was chief pilot of Air West Airlines to shut down the operation and clean house in both Air West Airlines and some of the top management at Transport Canada.
When I went to TC for help they evaded their responsibility and stonewalled me.
When I went to the DGCA in Ottawa he refused to intervene so I sent him a message asking for his permission for the pilots to falsify the journey logs with regard to three items.
(1) The use of a flat time for the trip. ( Which in those days was Center stored IFR on most of the flights.
(2) The use of false fuel burn numbers for fuel loads.
(3) The use of false weight entries to cover for over loads.
The DGCA refused.
I called a meeting of all the pilots and told them that they were to only enter the trips with no entry for the above items, they said that would not be allowed by TC I said fine if you do not follow my directive I will fire you.
The pilots flew for over two months with incomplete log book entries.
When I could not get TC to enforce the law I went to the RCMP and filed charges against both Air West Airlines managment and Transport Canada.
The results were staggering because I managed to get two Federal law enforcement departments to fight each other, in the end Federal law won out and I was sucessful in cleaning up the mess and getting rid of some people in TC.
I of course lost my job but that was of no concern to me because I did what my responsibility as chief pilot demanded...I made sure the passengers and the crews were protected from a dangerous unlawful operation and never lost a moments sleep over my loss of employment.
I detest corrupt immoral maggots who make a mockery of the very foundation of what Canada is supposed to be...if we do not have rule of law we have anarchy .
When I went to TC for help they evaded their responsibility and stonewalled me.
When I went to the DGCA in Ottawa he refused to intervene so I sent him a message asking for his permission for the pilots to falsify the journey logs with regard to three items.
(1) The use of a flat time for the trip. ( Which in those days was Center stored IFR on most of the flights.
(2) The use of false fuel burn numbers for fuel loads.
(3) The use of false weight entries to cover for over loads.
The DGCA refused.
I called a meeting of all the pilots and told them that they were to only enter the trips with no entry for the above items, they said that would not be allowed by TC I said fine if you do not follow my directive I will fire you.
The pilots flew for over two months with incomplete log book entries.
When I could not get TC to enforce the law I went to the RCMP and filed charges against both Air West Airlines managment and Transport Canada.
The results were staggering because I managed to get two Federal law enforcement departments to fight each other, in the end Federal law won out and I was sucessful in cleaning up the mess and getting rid of some people in TC.
I of course lost my job but that was of no concern to me because I did what my responsibility as chief pilot demanded...I made sure the passengers and the crews were protected from a dangerous unlawful operation and never lost a moments sleep over my loss of employment.
I detest corrupt immoral maggots who make a mockery of the very foundation of what Canada is supposed to be...if we do not have rule of law we have anarchy .
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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[quote="Mr. North
You are correct Ogee, that is a valid point. However, are you or were you an employee of WCA? If you are in "the know" you would have seen the pictures and would be in a position to do something about it. [/quote]
No, I have nothing to do with WCA. I haven't seen any pictures. I don't anticipate a crusade. I'm not a crusader.
You are correct Ogee, that is a valid point. However, are you or were you an employee of WCA? If you are in "the know" you would have seen the pictures and would be in a position to do something about it. [/quote]
No, I have nothing to do with WCA. I haven't seen any pictures. I don't anticipate a crusade. I'm not a crusader.
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The NEWS.
The Chief Pilot of West Coast Air announced Monday Feb 25th,2008 publicly, that he is resigning from his position from the company.
He indicates he may stay on to fly.
The insiders will be a scurry to fill the position from within though word is perhaps postion may be advertised outside the company.
I would not speculate that his departure has anything to do with the recent Beaver incident or having to answer to all the travesties listed in these posts by so many parties however, I leave it to each of you to come to your own conclusion on the matter.
I mean gee, why leave now? Somemay say. 'The ship is sailing away off-course without a rudder' perhaps.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr Capn Jack may have to apply for the job and do what CATDRIVER did some 30 years ago. Before some 'YES MAN' gets in there and really f*u*s it up.
But then, the acountable executive has supreme control, does'nt he?
The Chief Pilot of West Coast Air announced Monday Feb 25th,2008 publicly, that he is resigning from his position from the company.
He indicates he may stay on to fly.
The insiders will be a scurry to fill the position from within though word is perhaps postion may be advertised outside the company.
I would not speculate that his departure has anything to do with the recent Beaver incident or having to answer to all the travesties listed in these posts by so many parties however, I leave it to each of you to come to your own conclusion on the matter.
I mean gee, why leave now? Somemay say. 'The ship is sailing away off-course without a rudder' perhaps.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr Capn Jack may have to apply for the job and do what CATDRIVER did some 30 years ago. Before some 'YES MAN' gets in there and really f*u*s it up.
But then, the acountable executive has supreme control, does'nt he?
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I say we keel haul him Jack..arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I think there are a few that would like to see him walk the plank too.Load the cannon.
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Doing what I did at Air West Airlines in the spring of 1975 is something that is very difficult to do.
The Federal agencies are very reluctant to investigate each other because they both have to many secret closets that they do not want opened.
It can be done but the cost in time and mental anguish is very very high..
...the secret for me was I finally filed the charges in person in writing with the head of the RCMP criminal investigation department and told him straight out that if he did not act upon the written charges I handed to him I would go public and complain to the news media..
...I was lucky the head of the RCMP criminal investigation department was a straight shooter and tough as nails and he told me that if I was willing to give up my position in aviation he would do what ever he could to get to the bottom of the charges I had laid....they sent me out of Vancouver for two weeks while they seized a train load of records from Air West Airlines and Transport Canada....including Ottawa.
Also I was really lucky and got a phone call from someone high up in the airline business with a phone number I was to call....it was one of Canadas top law firms who accepted me as their client for the grand sum of one dollar...without proper legal advice and legal protection I am sure I would never have succeeded...
.....losing the position of chief pilot for the airline was a pleasure considering the reason I did it and as I knew would happen I was a leper as far as a lot of employers were concerned...which was just fine as I don't work for that type of operation anyhow.
Today as I fade into retirement I will leave aviation with the satisfaction that those in the know trust me and I am working with a foreign regulatory body as a contract advisor on regulatory changes..because they trust me.
So it can be done, but it is not easy.
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The Federal agencies are very reluctant to investigate each other because they both have to many secret closets that they do not want opened.
It can be done but the cost in time and mental anguish is very very high..
...the secret for me was I finally filed the charges in person in writing with the head of the RCMP criminal investigation department and told him straight out that if he did not act upon the written charges I handed to him I would go public and complain to the news media..
...I was lucky the head of the RCMP criminal investigation department was a straight shooter and tough as nails and he told me that if I was willing to give up my position in aviation he would do what ever he could to get to the bottom of the charges I had laid....they sent me out of Vancouver for two weeks while they seized a train load of records from Air West Airlines and Transport Canada....including Ottawa.
Also I was really lucky and got a phone call from someone high up in the airline business with a phone number I was to call....it was one of Canadas top law firms who accepted me as their client for the grand sum of one dollar...without proper legal advice and legal protection I am sure I would never have succeeded...
.....losing the position of chief pilot for the airline was a pleasure considering the reason I did it and as I knew would happen I was a leper as far as a lot of employers were concerned...which was just fine as I don't work for that type of operation anyhow.
Today as I fade into retirement I will leave aviation with the satisfaction that those in the know trust me and I am working with a foreign regulatory body as a contract advisor on regulatory changes..because they trust me.
So it can be done, but it is not easy.
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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kg;
Then why is it that this company, who now apparently has a union cannot seek the protection of that union and down tools until the mess that they are supposed to operate in, is cleaned up? They will now have a rep in the shop to deal with their problems which should be presented to management, illegal practices being one of them, if indeed this is the case as purported by others in this thread. Then on the other hand, maybe safety and legal operations take second place to getting more money. Maybe the original reasons for wanting a union were totally self-serving, rather than to improve the operation.
In the end, you can belittle the management all you want but if the employees are willing to go along and participate in activities which are questionable, they are as much to blame. So if management wants the employees doing things the wrong way and the employees are willing to do it, hardly a surprise that the regulator can do any enforcing. But
watch the rats abandon ship when the big one happens.
What a sick business.
carholme
carholme...
I agree, the industry is sick. Starting from the wages some of these outfits seem to get away with paying guys that have spent literally thousands of dollars and sometimes years in training right through to some of the problems we have been chatting about, that still seem to rear their ugly heads on occasion.
Thankfully there are guys out there like . that make a difference and set a standard for us to endeavor to follow. What a couple of refreshing posts . and many thanks for your work at making the industry safer and sharing this with us. I had a similar experience when I was with AC on the augment issue on the YVR-HKG flights and it took many letters to Transport, who were almost useless and have still some of the worst duty day regulations in the free world. Finally the issue was settled when a couple of us went to the newspapers and I filed a formal grievance with the Association, and eventually an arbitrator ruled that the flights were not safe with only 3 pilots. I was suspended several times, all with full pay, but management was nipping at my heels like a bulldog in heat until I retired. Now these flights are augmented both ways and the airline had to go out and hire a bunch more pilots, and the operation is safer with much less fatigue.
carholme.....I'll try and answer your q regaring the union protections....there are none until the first contract is signed. Illegal practices can be handled by the CLRB and there is also leglislation in place whereby an employee has the right to refuse dangerous work, with severe penalites given to the employer. Of course, one would be laying their job on the line, as . has done in the past, at least until those union protections are in place. Of course any individual pilot can vote with their feet as well, any many do, and that is one reason there is so much turnover in this business. I agree with you that the responsibility also lays with the pilots that work in a questionable environment and enable this management that is just focused in the almighty dollar. It takes us all to try and make the industry safer and more rewarding.
cheers
Then why is it that this company, who now apparently has a union cannot seek the protection of that union and down tools until the mess that they are supposed to operate in, is cleaned up? They will now have a rep in the shop to deal with their problems which should be presented to management, illegal practices being one of them, if indeed this is the case as purported by others in this thread. Then on the other hand, maybe safety and legal operations take second place to getting more money. Maybe the original reasons for wanting a union were totally self-serving, rather than to improve the operation.
In the end, you can belittle the management all you want but if the employees are willing to go along and participate in activities which are questionable, they are as much to blame. So if management wants the employees doing things the wrong way and the employees are willing to do it, hardly a surprise that the regulator can do any enforcing. But
watch the rats abandon ship when the big one happens.
What a sick business.
carholme
carholme...
I agree, the industry is sick. Starting from the wages some of these outfits seem to get away with paying guys that have spent literally thousands of dollars and sometimes years in training right through to some of the problems we have been chatting about, that still seem to rear their ugly heads on occasion.
Thankfully there are guys out there like . that make a difference and set a standard for us to endeavor to follow. What a couple of refreshing posts . and many thanks for your work at making the industry safer and sharing this with us. I had a similar experience when I was with AC on the augment issue on the YVR-HKG flights and it took many letters to Transport, who were almost useless and have still some of the worst duty day regulations in the free world. Finally the issue was settled when a couple of us went to the newspapers and I filed a formal grievance with the Association, and eventually an arbitrator ruled that the flights were not safe with only 3 pilots. I was suspended several times, all with full pay, but management was nipping at my heels like a bulldog in heat until I retired. Now these flights are augmented both ways and the airline had to go out and hire a bunch more pilots, and the operation is safer with much less fatigue.
carholme.....I'll try and answer your q regaring the union protections....there are none until the first contract is signed. Illegal practices can be handled by the CLRB and there is also leglislation in place whereby an employee has the right to refuse dangerous work, with severe penalites given to the employer. Of course, one would be laying their job on the line, as . has done in the past, at least until those union protections are in place. Of course any individual pilot can vote with their feet as well, any many do, and that is one reason there is so much turnover in this business. I agree with you that the responsibility also lays with the pilots that work in a questionable environment and enable this management that is just focused in the almighty dollar. It takes us all to try and make the industry safer and more rewarding.
cheers
frog
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Re: Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
Cat Driver.
You finally got around to explaining your past at Air West, ..
Many on here do not know what you did. To me, it is still a landmark in professional and responsible management.
.......................and, you did this 32 years ago.
Is it not great, how things have improved since then?????????????????????
You finally got around to explaining your past at Air West, ..
Many on here do not know what you did. To me, it is still a landmark in professional and responsible management.
.......................and, you did this 32 years ago.
Is it not great, how things have improved since then?????????????????????
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"To me, it is still a landmark in professional and responsible management."
Yes, isn't it just. Too bad more management can't take up his example.
Yes, isn't it just. Too bad more management can't take up his example.
“Never interrupt someone doing something you said couldn’t be done.” Amelia Earhart
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I read that the current CP has stepped down. But what I think a lot of people don't know is that the previous CP to him was the more calamitious one.
I agree with kg 110%. All quotes by him have sounded as acurate as I have heard yet. The REASON this topic is still alive and well getting hits and replies more than most other incidents as kg mentioned is because.........................................WCA is really that bad. Really, why would we all be so passionate in our words and take the time in this post otherwise?
I agree with kg 110%. All quotes by him have sounded as acurate as I have heard yet. The REASON this topic is still alive and well getting hits and replies more than most other incidents as kg mentioned is because.........................................WCA is really that bad. Really, why would we all be so passionate in our words and take the time in this post otherwise?
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This is true. Another story i herd yesterday from a former employee about total disregard for occupational health and safety. Check their Beavers for carbon monoxide indicators. They are to be replaced every 30 to 90 days. There is none. Ralf Nader where are you?
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Hi Bruce.. Norm must have loved you!!
Bruce
Norm could not understand why I would not go along with operating the airline in contravention of the regulations. Norm had the idea that the regulations were not written for him and he had the backing of a few within TC at the time who turned a blind eye to all the regulations that were being circumvented or outright broken.
Finally Norm decided that I needed a little incentive to be a team player so he offered me $25,000.00 cash if I would back down from my trying to manage the flight department within the law and just do as I was told.
He really fell out of love with me when a couple of months later the RCMP showed up with the search warrant.
I guess I will never learn how to be a "good old boy " and enable those who pervert the rule of law even though I know that the fix is in right up to the level of the DGCA.
And therein is the reason that this subject has once again got everyone going here on Avcanada, as long at the top management of TCCA are blind to operators who pervert the rule of law by turning a blind eye to these issues there will always be those who take the chance and operate outside of the law.
Once again may I remind everyone of a simple fact, when you have moral degenerates in positions of power the system will be corrupt from the top down, The Pacific Region TCCA has a moral degenerate in the office of Regional Director TCCA, and he is a "good old boy " enabled and supported by the present DGCA in Ottawa.
I have documentation that has been vetted through their own system the proves my allegations.....and both of these people know it and do not have the courage to charge me with libel.
I have over and over tried to make a deal Merlin Preuss that if he will serve me with a writ to appear in a Federal court to answer to my allegation that he is a moral degenerate I will supply the news media to cover the trial.
Hey what could be more fair than that?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Re: Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
wonder, if that court appearance came to pass, if they would put widescreen TV outside for the lineup in the street of people who could not get inside as witnesses?
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Cat Driver
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Re: Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
I don't know snaproll, but the very fact that someone like myself who has been in the business this long can make such allegations on an aviation forum that is read world wide with no response from the regulator for the past few years is a very sobering thought.wonder, if that court appearance came to pass, if they would put widescreen TV outside for the lineup in the street of people who could not get inside as witnesses?
It should be pondered by every member of the aviation community both inside of the regulator and those of us who are the aviation community.
Believe it or not I still have faith in the system and am convinced that the financial and emotional cost that I knowingly went through is worth it.
And I truly believe that eventually the system will rid its self of the cancer that is growing within the body of the regulator, and no I do not think I am a dreamer.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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SeptRepair
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Re: Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
Im sure after Airwest crashed a twin otter in 1977 ya must have had a bit of a smirk with an "i told you so" attached to it.
How can you tell which one is the pilot when you walk into a bar?....Don't worry he will come up and tell you.
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Cat Driver
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Re: Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
Im sure after Airwest crashed a twin otter in 1977 ya must have had a bit of a smirk with an "i told you so" attached to it.
There were several crashes during that time period, one was due to a mechanical failure in the flaps......however I find all crashes to be far from something that brings me pleasure.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Re: Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
Excuse me for interrupting all this horn blowing, but isn't this thread about an incident involving a Beaver and some trees? Which we still have no further facts on? Whoever is responsible for the cover up won't have to expend much energy if the meanderings of this thread are any indication of the attention span of the intended audience.
Cheers,
Snoopy
Cheers,
Snoopy
“Never interrupt someone doing something you said couldn’t be done.” Amelia Earhart
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Bulawrench
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Re: Beaver incident in Nanaimo?
This is true. What is being done to follow up on this company. The facts from former employees about how this company operates are still coming. There seems to be two different yard sticks being used to measure companies on the west coast. One for Worst Coast Air and one for everybody else. Who is their PMI and what is he doing about this company. All you have to do is walk through their hangar to see how disorganized the place is. Come on people.
