I was surfing the web and stumbled onto this site http://www.deltaconnectionacademy.com
and
http://www.gulfstreamacademy.com
It says that they have a 97% rate of employment of their students as first officers on airlines such as Comair, Skywest ect.
What is this stuff all about? Do you pay them to let you fly for these companies to build time? Does anyone know of someone who has done this type of thing?
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I think you can get the same deal here in Canada, someone mentioned that there is a training outfit at ZBB that offers the same type of opportunity to become working a commercial pilot. er I mean slave. 
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Absolutely not, you do not buy your time in the right seat. It is a structured way for airlines to get guys trained the way they want them, understand YOU DO NOT pay for your type rating, ONLY your licences. It is an excellent program for an american citizen who has done their homework, and absolutely knows for sure that they want to become an airline pilot. Most candidates enter with little or no flight experience, get their ratings, instruct there, and are then guranteed an interview with the particular airline. "97% percent of grads get on with airlines" is a poor statistic. SO many fail out of the program, lots get their licenses and move on to other places, and some are just stupid. So when you see a statistic like that, take it with a grain of salt, it does not mean that if you have $30K to blow, you're in the right seat of an RJ. Now heaven forbid, you don't want to work for said airline in the end, you're right back at the beginning with all the other guys with bare bones time.
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Well let me give you some info from one perspective- if you read that American Web site, you will find that all the negative posts on PFT (FO programs) are ALWAYS from the SAME exact individuals. Most people could care less. Look at the number of members on the respective board (over 13,000 active members), and compare that to the number of people who have a big enough problem with it to voice it. More pilots trash an airline called Mesa (I would bet some of those pilots who trashed them, would take a job there if one was offered) Oddly enough (sarcasm), they have NO problem filling interview slots with both high time people, and their own low time PFT program grads. (called Mesa PACE.) A few of these people make comments about foreign airlines, and how Asian/Europeans from cadet programs have no buisness being in a cockpit. I guess some think they should be in those cockpits. I guess they forgott to realise, that Asian+European airlines make up the majority of airlines in the world.
About myself-Some facts- I went through one of these programs, and did NOT immediately land a job. I had to do some instructing, and a little bush flying for about a year. I am both a Canadian and US citizen, with a college degree from an aviation program. I am presently flying a CRJ at an airline based in Minnepaolis, I landed this job because of an interview opportunity that arouse because of the FO program I completed. This airline actually has severall Canadians flying at it, some that actually commute from Canada, something that I plan on doing also.
Negatives-As the above said, NEVER believe the grads hired percentage, they are always marketing ploys. Also, some do not make it to training because of disqualifiers and such. Obviously, some fail out of training. As for the FO program itself-some info- I had to pay for my training, and then once completed, I was flying a turboprop on scheduled routes. I was paid, albeit EXTREMELY poorly. It was about 12 dollars an hour US, slightly less than the average instuctor in the US makes. It was for a specified amount of time, though if you were a good stick, they would keep you on longer. They kept me on, but I eventually quit because I had an oppurtunity to make more money somewhere else. 12 dollars an hour is not livable. Also be on guard for the salesmen at these places, they are worse than at a used car lot. I agree with the above, one should NOT buy a job. The program I went through, I did not get a job, you are buying flight time, and a POSSIBLE, not guranteed, shot at an interview. The only reason I landed my interview was because of the turbine time I had aquired. It was all hand flown, no autopilot on the aircraft.
I think instructing is a great knowlege builder, but unless you have a GOOD instructing job, the multi time is hard to come by.
My vote for best way to the cockpit would be to strictly fly in the Bush, I love float flying. But we all know that the instrument time, and multi-turbine time needed for the airlines, is hard to come by. (unless you're on the twotter)
If anybody wants more info, I am happy to give information, both negative and positive.
Unfortunately, this is VERY common in Europe. I am glad that in Canada, and the US for that matter, it is cheaper, with many more ways to the cockpit than Europe. Many of these program in the US cater specifically to European students.
Well let me give you some info from one perspective- if you read that American Web site, you will find that all the negative posts on PFT (FO programs) are ALWAYS from the SAME exact individuals. Most people could care less. Look at the number of members on the respective board (over 13,000 active members), and compare that to the number of people who have a big enough problem with it to voice it. More pilots trash an airline called Mesa (I would bet some of those pilots who trashed them, would take a job there if one was offered) Oddly enough (sarcasm), they have NO problem filling interview slots with both high time people, and their own low time PFT program grads. (called Mesa PACE.) A few of these people make comments about foreign airlines, and how Asian/Europeans from cadet programs have no buisness being in a cockpit. I guess some think they should be in those cockpits. I guess they forgott to realise, that Asian+European airlines make up the majority of airlines in the world.
About myself-Some facts- I went through one of these programs, and did NOT immediately land a job. I had to do some instructing, and a little bush flying for about a year. I am both a Canadian and US citizen, with a college degree from an aviation program. I am presently flying a CRJ at an airline based in Minnepaolis, I landed this job because of an interview opportunity that arouse because of the FO program I completed. This airline actually has severall Canadians flying at it, some that actually commute from Canada, something that I plan on doing also.
Negatives-As the above said, NEVER believe the grads hired percentage, they are always marketing ploys. Also, some do not make it to training because of disqualifiers and such. Obviously, some fail out of training. As for the FO program itself-some info- I had to pay for my training, and then once completed, I was flying a turboprop on scheduled routes. I was paid, albeit EXTREMELY poorly. It was about 12 dollars an hour US, slightly less than the average instuctor in the US makes. It was for a specified amount of time, though if you were a good stick, they would keep you on longer. They kept me on, but I eventually quit because I had an oppurtunity to make more money somewhere else. 12 dollars an hour is not livable. Also be on guard for the salesmen at these places, they are worse than at a used car lot. I agree with the above, one should NOT buy a job. The program I went through, I did not get a job, you are buying flight time, and a POSSIBLE, not guranteed, shot at an interview. The only reason I landed my interview was because of the turbine time I had aquired. It was all hand flown, no autopilot on the aircraft.
I think instructing is a great knowlege builder, but unless you have a GOOD instructing job, the multi time is hard to come by.
My vote for best way to the cockpit would be to strictly fly in the Bush, I love float flying. But we all know that the instrument time, and multi-turbine time needed for the airlines, is hard to come by. (unless you're on the twotter)
If anybody wants more info, I am happy to give information, both negative and positive.
Unfortunately, this is VERY common in Europe. I am glad that in Canada, and the US for that matter, it is cheaper, with many more ways to the cockpit than Europe. Many of these program in the US cater specifically to European students.
