Voyageur Airways

[Frozen Ronin]

Greetings,
New poster here. I've read a few things about Voyageur Airways on this board, but nothing recent or relating to -8 type rated newhires. Does anyone have any information about typed -8 captains being hired? I figure it's for Africa, but that's about as far as I get on my own. Anyone have any idea if the training bond I read about applies to this job (if it does, I'm not interested), the pay, schedule, housing, environment, etc, etc? All I got from my phone call was information on interview dates and places.

Thanks in advance!

Ronin

[MZUNGO]

yes there is a training bond, and all of the dash-8 jobs are in africa. the pay is on a sliding scale depending what you bring to the table.schedule is 8 weeks in 4 weeks out until two weeks before you go home then you are extended. housing ranges from between roach infested shitholes to one really nice place in entebbe.

hth M

[Square_tires]

STAY AWAY FROM THAT SH*T HOLE PLACE..... They can not keep planes in the sky because they have no pilots... The DFO and CP are overseas just to try and keep the place from falling into the ashes...

schedule is 8 weeks in 4 weeks out until two weeks before you go home then you are extended. housing ranges from between roach infested shitholes to one really nice place in entebbe.

You hit the spot with that statement.. The sliding scale thing is a bunch of b/s... pilots are all getting paid different amounts... they use and abuse people there... they butter things up to sound great and once they have you, its a whole different story.... Everyone do yourself and your friends and not friends a favor... tell them to stay away... I'm glad im gone

[NorthSky]

Every time you read a post about VAL like the ones from Square_tires and others you can assume there are hundreds of others out there that feel exactly the same but just don't bother warning dudes anymore. Stay the f*)( away from them or it WILL be you warning others on here in LESS than a year to stay away as well. (and you'll have the bank loan owing to prove it@!)

[Never Mind]

STAY AWAY FROM THAT... PLACE..... They can not keep planes in the sky because they have no pilots...

To Whom It May Concern At Voyageur,

Reading one post after another regarding your company has left me with the impression that a good house cleaning is in order. Is it possible for you to restructure your organization in order to shut the mouths of your accusers? Are you happy with the status quo - every couple of months having your company flamed here on AvCanada? The company that I work for is hardly, if ever, the subject of conversation by disgruntled, ex-employees. Is there a reason for that? Why is there relatively little negative talk about Wasaya Airways LP, Thunder Air, Central Mountain Air, Georgian Airways??? I'm an outsider and my opinion of VAL should matter to you. The image that this company portrays should be very important. I don't know everything, and I'm very limited in knowledge about the inside workings of your company, but I feel that perhaps your organizational and business culture needs an overhaul.

Never Mind

[Doc]

THAT was a good post! But alas, Max S has been throwing the "you know what" into pilots for so long, he just doesn't GARA! BUT, they do continue to find suckers!

Now, I don't have anything bad to say about Thunder, CMA or Georgian...but I can rag on about Wasaya if ya like? Na, I'm happier here than I EVER would have been at Wasaya!

[Never Mind]

Now, I don't have anything bad to say about Thunder, CMA or Georgian...but I can rag on about Wasaya if ya like?

Doc,

I have no doubt that you can, but Wasaya gave me my first real break. During a warm and windy summer day, while giving a student a post-flight briefing, I received that phone call that saved me from the instucting rut. I'll always be grateful.

Never Mind

[Doc]

Good equipment. Great bunch of pilots. You did good!

[tsgas]

Max is a lot like Cramer on Mad Money . "I'm not here to make friends but to make money ".

[Doc]

Well, I don't know how much money he's making, but he sure as sh&t ain't making many friends!

[tsgas]

You got that right Doc!

[ScudRunner]

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 13&t=39747


Back At it again I see.

[Schooner.Cdn]

First off...please don't interpret this question as consideration for application.

Relatively new here but have been following the posts to a certain degree so I hope I didn't miss this answer for a lack of searching. I'm certainly not a proponent of some hiring practices and there are hundreds of threads sharing a generally poor attitude towards VAL or similar however...

How does the industry or companies looking for pilots from a hiring perspective feel about drivers coming from what I or you consider a less than reputable company? I.E. Does a person's CV suffer any because they took one of these roads? Or is time in the books, time in the books regardless of where it came from

[Doc]

I'll field that one. I'd consider it a plus. The fact you had the good sense to part company with one of the, um, er, shall we say, less than first class operations, shows you're interested in a step in the right direction. Not to name names, but say you were looking to leave Tombstone, we'd take a very hard look at you indeed.

[xsbank]

I love the way that every time Low Wageur's name comes up, its good for 2 or 3 pages of invective. Its too bad we still have that organization around, it is a blight on all of us. Maybe one day they will see the light and reform and they might become a reasonable place to work for...

[Conquest Driver]

Maybe one day they will see the light and reform and they might become a reasonable place to work for...

And maybe Hell will freeze over and Satan will come out to do a triple lutz. I consider the chances about equal.

[Frozen Ronin]

Thanks for all who offered insight. Some time ago, I left an operator in the lower 48 that held a similiar reputation for using up thier employees, and had to use the training contract as a means of keeping rank and file in formation as long as they could. People still left early, as they couldn't handle the abuse. I am in no way looking to return to that stressful, fatigued and unhappy environment. It's too bad we allow those operators to continue using us as a group!

Ronin

[newpilotwife]

Hubby is relatively happy working abroad for VAL - you gotta take the good with the bad

[ScudRunner]

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 13&t=39747


Back At it again I see.

Almost a month to the day yet another add by Voyaguer!

[Doc]

Hey newpilotwife...hubby still happy?? Get out your wallets kids, they're looking for a few more victums!

[brokenwing]

too bad mail order brides didnt work this way.... some beautiful foreign women pays me 20 000 to marry me, as well as be a part of my life for at least 2 years, if she likes it she can stay, and get a permanant visa, if not, she bails, i get a new one. only in dreams. could be mail order husbands too.. no discriminating.

[Wacko]

Once they enter the country they don't need you anymore... under Canadian law.

So... if these guys pay so bad... are they still getting pilots with the requirements posted?
- 2000 TT
- 500 Multi-PIC
- Valid ATPL
That's pretty much the requirement for any King Air job... probably at least 15-30k more per year at any other company? Is it the jets that are the carrot?

[Beach 200]

I dunno if its just me, but everytime VAL's name comes up it's ALWAYS the same 5 or 6 guys who post some kind of poor remark about VAL. I'm not sure if you guys think your royalty or not but VAL has had more than enough pilots go through the company in its last 30 plus years of operations and out of all those who have gone on to Air Canada, Jazz, Westjet, Cathay, etc.., from VAL dont have anything bad to say at all. Every company has pro's and con's and considering that VAL has a track record Longer than, Wasaya, Thunder, Bravo, etc.. they are obviously doing something right or according to the critics and the B/S they have said that goes on, VAL would have been caught by the many federal and provicially regualted authorties and shut down a long time ago!!! Most of these few people who do complain, like to bitch about the bond, but I bet any money that if in the future Air Canada Jazz turned around and made you sign a bond because they were losing so many guys/gals to mainline and westjet, these few individuals will shut there traps pretty quick and the bond thing would be "OK".
I personally can say that VAL is a good company and they treat me very well and the fact that I came from a previous company that is also "regarded" as an excellent company of avcanada for the simple fact that they arent "talked" about if ever on this forum is less than true within comparison to VAL.
The guys that do bad mouth this company sure as shit dont give any personal fact or experiences they have had with VAL, if any, cause the truth is they could have been fired due to stupidity and being unsafe or have heard some rumour from a buddy and decided to shoot there mouth off!

Stick to the facts people! VAL has been around for 30 plus years. If the company is as bad as you hear it is they would be out of buisness, its common sense!

[Chuck Ellsworth]

VAL would have been caught by the many federal and provicially regualted authorties and shut down a long time ago!!!

Sure they would have, hmmmm lets see do we know of any companies with a questionable history that have never been shut down by the regulators.....

....anyone???

[Beach 200]

If it were the case, shame on all of you for not filing a complaint with TC, Labour board, or whomever.