Criminal Negligance

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Re: Criminal Negligance

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There has been a precedence set here folks and its not good. What I wonder is (as was stated before) where the hell was Transport? Half the people who have worked for Keystone has talked to transport over the years and nothing has ever happened? Why?
There is really only two logical possibilities why TC does nothing and claims to know nothing about some of these companies.

(1) They are incompetent and unable to regulate the industry in a fair and efficient manner.

(2) Someone in TC is on the take like you will find in any third world corrupt country. Having dealt with the very highest people in power in TCCA and having met personally with the Director General of Transport Canada it is my personal opinion that someone is on the take, in other words being payed to look the other way and do nothing.

As long as Merlin Preuss and his ilk of dishonest moral degenerates are in charge at TCCA there will be no change in how aviation is overseen in Canada....it will remain corrupted.
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Re: Criminal Negligance

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There is no doubt, regardless of your viewpoint in this matter, that we have turned a corner in litigation regarding the aviation industry.

Pilots who previously did what Mark did did not suffer the repercussions. What has changed? ....certainly not TCCA's involvement.

Perhaps equally important to all pilots should now be the thought of not so much receiving punishment for doing something wrong, but the overall risk of being sued/prosecuted etc. for perceived wrongdoing.

If your image is tarnished, for whatever reason, the hounds will be upon you. The slippery slope has started where justifiable prosecution has opened the door for an overall slide into law suit and counter suit.

It is inconceivable that the company involved has not been taken to task.

Perhaps some posters like Doc are correct. If your job is not safe: QUIT.

If TC and the insurance industry are unwilling to weed out the bad companies, then maybe pilots' feet can do the job.

I remember doing this once many years ago and the rot started within days, the company, once a good one, was finally sold off because of the incompetents that had taken it over. Regrettably, my prediction was right and I was glad not to be a part of the crashes that followed. Thirty-five year later, it saddens me to see the process repeated over and over, with the loss of innocent passenger lives.
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The truly perplexing part is when someone is in the process of applying for an OC you have to go through month after month of correcting every missed comma, period and wording to satisfy TCCA that your paper work is to their flavour of the month requirements.

Then once you have the OC it becomes like the wild west where anything goes and TC becomes totally disinterested in how you operate.......for some companies more than others of course, which leads us to wondering why??

If ever there has been an example of uneven enforcement of the law it has to be this Keystone fiasco where the pilot has been crusified and the owner, Operations Manager and Chief Pilot seems to have escaped any prosecution for their involvement in the operation of that airplane.....

SO WHY BOTHER WITH THE FU.KIN OC FIASCO IN THE FIRST PLACE??????
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Would this pilot be looking at jail time if he was a member of ALPA?(OR any other Association)
Would it have gone this far?
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From the judge's (conviction) decision posted by witnesskeystone:
It was clear that he felt that the accused had done an admirable job in landing the aircraft in the face of a double engine failure with only one death, that pilots in small air taxi and commuter operations are under a lot of stress and that the management of Keystone was not supportive of its pilots, pushing them to the limit and not encouraging a strict adherence to the safety rules. He said that the wrong person was on trial, and he clearly felt strongly that the accused should not be blamed for what happened. While these may be issues for sentencing, in the event of a conviction, or for other venues such as a safety inquiry, they do not address the accused’s legal duty, as the pilot-in-command, to ensure that there was enough fuel on the aircraft to complete the flight.
While there is ample evidence that the management of Keystone did not feel constrained to follow the letter of the regulations regarding certain equipment and recording deficiencies, there is no evidence that there was any pressure not to follow the regulations regarding fuel requirements.
Considering everything which has been said here on AvCanada about how Keystone was (is) run, I hope that some people came forward at Mr. Tayfel's sentencing today.

Six years is a long time for this to come to a conclusion. How much time, money and heartbreak could have been saved if the TSB had made this a "Class 1 Occurrance" and begun a public inquiry all those years ago?
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Re: Criminal Negligance

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Pilot of plane that crashed at Winnipeg intersection gets house arrest
at 15:55 on March 20, 2008, EST.



THE CANADIAN PRESS

WINNIPEG - The pilot of a small twin-engine plane that crashed at a busy Winnipeg intersection almost six years ago has been given a two-year conditional sentence.

Justice Holly Beard has ruled that Mark Tayfel will have to spend the first nine months of that sentence under strict house arrest.

The remainder of his sentence will be under looser conditions.

Tayfel was convicted last November of six criminal charges, including criminal negligence causing death and bodily harm, for the June 2002 crash in the middle of a busy intersection after his aircraft ran out of fuel.

During his sentencing hearing, Tayfel apologized to his five passengers and the families of the sixth passenger, 79-year-old Chester Jones from Kansas, who died a few weeks later from his injuries.

Tayfel, who lives in Calgary, is no longer working as a pilot, and says there's only a remote chance he will ever be able to fly again.
http://www.940news.com/nouvelles.php?cat=23&id=32068
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Re: Criminal Negligance

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Doc wrote:Okay, I'll agree, he's no threat to society. That's given. From this, we would learn what? Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but what message would that send? Perhaps, the knowledge that a conviction, with the resultant criminal record, and the lack of ability to get a Passport, and to travel will be enough of a deterrent?
I don't know where it comes from, but it is a common misconception that having a criminal record results in one not being able to get a passport. That is completely not true. Every Canadian citizen, criminal record or not, is entitled to a passport.

As for travel, I doubt that a record for criminal negligence would result in being barred from the US. It's another misconception that a criminal record bars you from the US. It is up to the immigration officer on the spot, except that he must refuse entry for those with certain records, such as for dope, and also those who are alcoholics, drug addicts, and prostitutes.

Kind of makes you wonder how Gordon Campbell, the premier of BC, gets in.

As for the rest of the world, well, I've never heard of a criminal record being an issue as to getting in, probably because those countries don't have access to Canada's criminal records databases.
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I guess you've never been a parent....
Do you know who else had parents? Paul Bernardo. Do you think he's been through enough? Xsbank, what on earth does parental sentiment have to do with anything?

Widow, I'd like to offer some advise. It's almost as risky to sympathize with everything you read as it is to believe everything you read.
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Pilot avoids jail term

Winnipeg Free Press
By: Mike McIntyre
Updated: March 20 at 03:42 PM CDT

Mark Tayfel crashed an airplane in a busy Winnipeg intersection and lived to tell about it. Now the former pilot has escaped a jail sentence for negligent actions that killed an elderly passenger.

Queen's Bench Justice Holly Beard ruled this afternoon Tayfel could remain in the community under a two year conditional sentence for the June 2002 tragedy. His conditions include a daily curfew and 240 hours of community service work which Beard hopes will involve speaking to young pilots about the errors he made during that fateful flight.

"The accused is a fine person who's made some terrible mistakes in an otherwise good life. The events are truly tragic and have affected many lives. It's a no win situation for all involved," Beard told court.

"Nothing in this case suggests a need to separate this offender from the community."

Beard lashed out at the airline industry for a "culture" of negligence which allows -- or perhaps even forces -- pilots to often cut corners.

"It's clear the failure to follow aeronautics regulations is very prevalent. The culture shouldn't be one that pressures young pilots to break the law," said Beard.

"Despite that culture, it doesn't excuse pilots who break the law and engage in risky behaviour. Society will not sit by and allow our safety and security to be put at risk."


Tayfel and six American fishers were injured when both of the plane's engines cut out shortly after Tayfel missed his first attempt at landing at Winnipeg International Airport. The plane came to rest on Logan Avenue just west of McPhillips Street.

Tayfel had taken off earlier that morning from a northern fishing lodge without enough fuel on board to get to his destination.

Everyone survived the crash, but Kansas resident Chester Jones, 79, died a few weeks later from his injuries.

"I was very moved by the description of Chester Jones. The loss to his family and community is immense and can never be replaced," Beard said today/

Crown attorney Brian Wilford told court yesterday that Tayfel should spend time behind bars for the reckless risk-taking of not carrying enough fuel and then attempting to land the plane without telling anyone on the ground about his problem until it was too late.

"The moral culpability of Mr. Tayfel is extreme. He had so many opportunities to rectify the situation. And yet he did nothing," Wilford said.

"He endangered so many people... because his concern was his reputation. It is an absolute miracle no one on the ground was seriously injured or killed. I'd say a landing like that couldn't be done again in a million years."

Defence lawyer Balfour Der said putting a good man like Tayfel behind bars wouldn't accomplish anything.

"This man did not set out to crash that airplane, to run out of fuel, to put anyone, including himself, in danger," Der said.

He told court Tayfel could be utilized as a mentor to young pilots in training, speaking to them about his deadly mistake and preaching the value in following aviation regulations.

Tayfel, 42, gave a tearful apology to his victims yesterday, including family members of the man who died.

"I was in charge of that aircraft. It was my responsibility to get the passengers safely back to Winnipeg. I failed to do that," he told a packed courtroom.

Tayfel declined to speak with reporters following court today. Der said his client is "still in a state of shock" over what happened but thankful he's going home to Calgary.

Der said they are considering an appeal of Beard's decision to convict Tayfel of criminal negligence causing death, four counts of criminal negligence causing bodily harm and dangerous operation of an aircraft in one of the first cases of its kind in Canada.

He suggested Tayfel's employer at the time of the crash, Keystone Air, should have also been held liable and that his client has been made the "whipping boy" for an industry fraught with problems.

"They're not here in court supporting Mr. Tayfel. They headed for the hills," Der said outside court. He was encouraged by Beard's critical comments about the airline industry and hopes this case sends a strong message.

"These young pilots are really being forced into a tough situation," he said.


An aviation expert called by the defence claimed at trial that the real blame for the disaster should rest with Keystone Air. Robert Lemieux said the company "pressured" Tayfel into doing his flight, despite the fact he'd raised concerns with the chief pilot that his Piper Navajo wasn't equipped with a mandatory auto-pilot.

The device likely would have helped Tayfel make a safe landing in Winnipeg. Instead, he came out of the clouds too high and too fast -- with both engines on the verge of cutting out -- and missed the runway completely. Tayfel then crashed as he tried to swing around to make another landing attempt.

A retired Air Canada pilot took the witness stand yesterday on behalf of the defence and said too many shortcuts are being taken by employers focused on making money, at the expense of young pilots who feel there is no choice but to quietly obey orders.

"These kids get out there and they're expected to do things they know aren't by the book. There's a culture in that sector of the industry where it's get the job done, and if somebody bends the rules a little bit, nobody says anything about it," Dale Andersen said.


He now works as a mentor and counselor to pilots through the airline union and recently spent time with Tayfel, calling him a "mild-mannered, compliant" person who lacks the ego many pilots often possess.

Andersen told court allowing Tayfel to speak about his experience to others would be making "something positive" out of a tragic situation.

Tayfel has no prior criminal record, strong family and community support and is unlikely to find work again as a pilot because nobody wants to hire him, court was told.

Wilford said that's not enough.

"Mr. Tayfel got caught doing what other pilots seem to do quite regularly. Other pilots didn't get caught because they didn't crash. But other pilots must be deterred from even thinking about it," he said.

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"The accused is a fine person who's made some terrible mistakes in an otherwise good life. The events are truly tragic and have affected many lives. It's a no win situation for all involved," Beard told court.

"Nothing in this case suggests a need to separate this offender from the community."

Beard lashed out at the airline industry for a "culture" of negligence which allows -- or perhaps even forces -- pilots to often cut corners.

"It's clear the failure to follow aeronautics regulations is very prevalent. The culture shouldn't be one that pressures young pilots to break the law," said Beard.

"Despite that culture, it doesn't excuse pilots who break the law and engage in risky behaviour. Society will not sit by and allow our safety and security to be put at risk."
Kudos to the judge for recognizing that a problem exists in the industry, and not condemning the pilot to jail time because of it.
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No Kudos for anybody in the industry while SCUM operators like Keystone are allowed to wander through the skies! Transport Canada should hang their heads in shame for letting this kind of CRAP occur in the first place. The TC inspectors should be lining up for unemployment! I've heard as recently as last week, their policy is STILL to bypass fuel stops. Pilots "are to use their reserves" as part of their planned trip fuel. I'd be willing to go along with the "kudos" for the judge if he'd had the gonads to issue a bench warrant for Keystone's owners.
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Without the co-operation of TCCA or the enactment of Bill C-45 prior to the accident, did the judge have any ability to do more than she (he?) did?
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Re: Criminal Negligance

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The judgement was an interesting read and ought to provide a wake-up call for pilots on a few points.

First, there seem to be few cases of pilots charged with crim neg or dangerous operation, therefore, this case will be an important precedent cited in future cases.

Second, the judge clearly pointed out that where the law compels the pilot to do something (have enough fuel in this case), the pilot can not raise a defence by claiming the company pressured him. Claims of company pressure might also get the boss charged with something, or be a factor in sentencing, but it won't be a defence for the pilot in the determination of guilt.

Third, knowingly not complying with CAR fuel requirements is, in itself, neglegent. Simply put, if you take off knowing you don't have the legal minimum fuel and have an accident as a result, you will be criminally responsible.

Four, not taking the time to do a proper fuel calculation is, in itself, neglegent.

Five, other misdeeds such as no auto-pilot, snags, etc are not factors in determining guilt regarding crim neg unless they directly contributed to the accident.

Six, in sentencing, the judge specifically mentioned the need for general deterrence for others in the industry. This could be cited in any future similar case as grounds for a significantly increased sentence. If another pilot isn't deterred from taking chances with fuel by Mr. Tayfel's 2 year conditional sentence, then this judge's admonishment will likely be cited to justify a couple years behind bars.

No one should fool themselves into thinking they can make excuses and blame others when things go wrong. If it wasn't clear before, it is now; scum bag operators, pressure, risk of being fired, blah, blah, blah, do not provide a defence for breaking laws.
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