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Self-regulation grounds US air travelers. Are Canadians next?

Aeronautics Act (C-7), now awaiting Third Reading, could be victim of Southwest and American Airlines debacles.

by Ish Theilheimer, Publisher, PublicValues.ca

While US air travelers reel from shutdowns and cancellations due to airline self-regulation, Canadians could face similar problems, unless the US experience serves as a caution. If proposed changes to Canada's regulations affecting the airlines (Bill C-7) pass Third Reading in Parliament, airline safety will become more an airline responsibility and less a public one. With airlines under enormous pressure due to soaring oil prices, consumer and labour advocates say safety is likely to be compromised.

They point to Southwest Airlines and American Airlines as proof that self-regulation and a "cozy" approach to relations between regulators and those they regulate do not work.

This month Southwest was ordered to pay the largest fine in aviation safety history — $10 million — for gross and numerous airplane safety violations that were ignored or unreported. Planes had been allowed to fly in unsafe condition on the say-so of airline officials — not inspectors — under new federal "partnership" arrangements with the airline industry. As a result of the fine, the legal costs and the bad publicity, Southwest may not survive as a company, leaving hundreds without jobs and many of the areas its serves without air travel. The violations were only exposed because a group of company inspectors finally reported the abuses. At least two of the whistle-blowers received death threats.

According to a story in the Wall Street Journal the bad publicity may undermine the self-regulation trend. "Driven by budget and policy considerations, the Federal Aviation Administration wants to move further in the direction of allowing airlines to self-regulate their activities, with the FAA analyzing safety and maintenance data to spot trends. If the Southwest controversy casts lasting doubt on information coming from industry, this enforcement strategy could be threatened," it reported on April 3, in coverage of the Congressional transportation and infrastructure committee on FAA Safety Oversight of Airlines: Abuses of Regulatory "Partnership Programs."

CUPE researcher Richards Balnis told PublicValues.ca, "Essentially both in Canada and in the US, the regulated industry has a very cozy relationship with the regulator, whether it's Transport Canada or the FAA. Both regulating agencies are pursuing a strategy where if an airline detects a problem and voluntarily discloses it, there will be no punishment and no enforcement action taken."

Balnis said "The inspectors union is now very fearful that they will be auditing airlines' [reporting] systems, but they will not be inspecting planes. You can always create a paper trail," he says, to make scrutiny look more rigorous than it is. And simply finding out about a problem and telling the regulator about it doesn't mean it gets fixed, he said. "It's that culture of coziness that created the situation at Southwest."

In related news this week, American Airlines was forced to ground more than 1,000 flights to re-inspect wiring on MD-80 aircraft after the FAA questioned if previous re-inspections had been done properly.

Meanwhile in Canada, Bill C-7 is stalled in the House as it awaits Third Reading and passage into law and labour and consumer activists fight to stop it. The Aeronautics Act "will do for air safety what similar amendments over the last twenty years have done for marine and railway safety i.e. transfer primary responsibility for safety from Transport Canada to the industry itself, according to the Public Interest Advocacy Centre in a StraightGoods.ca article.

"At the heart of the change is a move by Transport Canada to let airlines police their own operations," reports the Toronto Star. "Under this change, airline employees will be encouraged to flag safety concerns within their own organizations. If that information is gathered by federal inspectors, the legislation bans its public release, even under access-to-information legislation. And unlike cabinet confidences, which are made public after 25 years, the reports of safety concerns would stay secret forever."

Richard Balnis is dismayed with the results of governments getting out of airline inspection and enforcement. "I wouldn't dignify it by calling it a privatized system. I would call it trusting the industry," he says. "They say safety is our business, but they are under tremendous cost pressures to cut corners." Meanwhile, he says government is getting out of the business of regulation and government agencies are taking the attitude "just call off the inspectors."

http://www.publicvalues.ca:80/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=0029
Can airport nightmare happen here?

Critics say new Canadian safety measures mirror those causing the problems in U.S.

Apr 10, 2008 04:30 AM
Chris Sorensen
Business Reporter

Transport Canada's efforts to transfer greater responsibility for safety oversight to airlines is being called into question after a similar approach by U.S. regulators allowed potentially unsafe planes to continue flying because of a "cozy" relationship with U.S. air carriers.

Amid criticism of the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration's oversight, tens of thousands of passengers were left stranded yesterday after American Airlines cancelled about 1,000 flights, or about half of its schedule, as it continues to inspect the wiring on some of its jets.

That was on top of 450 flights cancelled Tuesday for the same reason.

It was the second round of mass cancellations by the world's largest airline in less than two weeks as it attempts to head off any loss in confidence about safety procedures amid revelations that several U.S. airlines had not been keeping up with required aircraft inspections.

The lapses came to light earlier this month after the FAA admitted it allowed Southwest Airlines to operate thousands of flights with planes that had missed inspections for cracks in the fuselage.

"The other airlines are being proactive and the FAA is managing its image," said Marc-David Seidel, a business professor at the University of British Columbia's Sauder School of Business.

He added that rising fuel prices and a slowing economy have put pressure on airlines to cut costs – and could prompt some to cut corners by delaying certain inspections.

While the FAA has so far pointed the finger at individual inspectors who failed to do their jobs, critics have suggested there may be systemic problems with the regulator's focus on having airline "partners" self-report safety issues.

Some critics in Canada, meanwhile, say the FAA's recent problems should be setting off alarm bells at Transport Canada, which is poised to adopt a similar collaborative approach to air safety that it dubs Safety Management Systems, or SMS.

"Transport Canada, I think, is going even further than the FAA by doing away with traditional regulatory oversight," said Virgil Moshansky, a retired Alberta judge whose report on a 1989 Air Ontario crash in Dryden that killed 24 people led to many air safety improvements.

Moshansky told the Commons transport committee last year the Canadian plan relies heavily on airline personnel to report their own violations and safety worries. He characterized that as a "hard sell" for workers who may fear reprisals.

He also questioned whether cash-strapped smaller carriers could be trusted to monitor their own safety, noting that such operations are where the "greatest risk to aviation safety resides."

A 2006 investigation by the Toronto Star, the Hamilton Spectator and The Record of Waterloo Region revealed growing cracks in Canada's aviation industry, with close calls in the sky, growing numbers of mechanical defects, lax oversight of airlines and regulations allowing dangerous bad-weather landings and overwork of flight crews.

Moshansky said yesterday that the trend at Transport Canada has been toward fewer inspectors and less frequent inspections, and that recent events in the U.S. should serve as a wake-up call.

"They're introducing SMS without sufficient regulatory oversight ... and that's their Achilles' heel."

Transport Canada, however, maintains that safety plan will add an additional layer of safety to an already strong system – particularly if Bill C-7, which includes among other things a proposal to create whistle-blower protection for airline employees, is passed into law.

While Transport Canada officials declined to comment yesterday on the issues facing the US. regulator, they stressed that aviation safety in Canada has improved since the regulator first committed to a collaborative approach in 1999.

"Working together doesn't mean you can't enforce regulations," said Patrick Charette, a Transport Canada spokesperson. "By working together you build a relationship that makes airlines and other players accountable."

He said the adoption of a new system means Transport Canada's roughly 800 inspectors can perform more targeted inspections.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/413085
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Based on what I could see from media reports on different networks and such, the US situation looks more like the FAA inspectors walking away from known problems and allowing them to fester. If the issue was a single plane or a couple of planes, it might be self regulation. When it is 300 planes at AA and XX (not sure the number) at Southwest, the issue is different.

The AA issue is particularly interesting, as it would appear that either the FAA wasn't precise in what they wanted on the MD-80 wiring bundles, or they didn't work with AA properly on the initial checks and repairs done in the past. In the end, most of this comes down to the distance between wire wraps, FAA wanting a precise 1 inch and AA's team having fudged it, often allowing 1.5 to 2 inches between wire wraps (amongst other issues).

Don't confuse variations on self checking with a lack of direction from the top. It appears that most if not all of these situations could have been resolved before they became and issue if the FAA people had grabbed the bull by the horns to start with.
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Alex YCV;

There is no doubt it was a "self regulation"/"risk management" issue.

The only people with a vested financial interest in this matter is the airlines, not the FAA and that is why the maintenance time was not expended in the first place, over a year ago. The AD called for the looms to be tied exactly 1" apart and if they were not, then the AD was not in compliance. The airlines were scrambling to get the ADs done correctly and in compliance to work that had been signed out a year ago.
Why do you think the airlines have voluntarily grounded so many flights in the last month? If they thought they were correct in their position, they wouldn't have done this.
An AA spokesman stated this evening that their maintenance people were in the wrong.

More to the point, the rigidity of the looms clamping and tying was because of the proximity of the looms to other components in the wheel wells, which through arcing/shorting would have produced serious fire hazards. This has been a common problem area for many retractable gear a/c due to overheated brake/wheel assemblies in an area with proximity to hydraulic and fuel lines and components.
Twenty two of the aircraft inspected were found to have serious defects in this area.

The issue of a few FAA inspectors in the Southwest region playing palsy with the airlines played right into the hand of the airlines and saved them a lot of money at the time the ADs were originally issued. Look at how much it has cost them now, to get it right.


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I don't doubt the seriousness of the issue, this is an area that is critical and from what I can tell, the MD80 has had issues in this area. But these planes were pulled out of service a month ago for the same time. Why wasn't the FAA there at that point making sure it was done right? I cannot picture AA having a document in their hands and deciding to blow it off, to do the repairs and inspections but space the wire ties too far apart on purpose to, what, save a short amount of time and a few wraps? It doesn't make much sense.

The whole situation just seems a little weird. I am sure that the FAA inspectors can't be there for every overhaul / update, but with AA having 300+ of these planes, you would think they could get someone out there for the first / sample / template work to make sure that it is being done properly.
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Here is an interesting twist on the subject, top story on CNN this morning:
So why are both of those things happening in the current airlines' chaos? Did the friendly skies suddenly become too dangerous to fly? Not at all. The massive flight cancellations at American Airlines — about 1,200 flights, more than half of its daily schedule, affecting 273,000 passengers after the Federal Aviation Administration ordered the carrier to ground 300 planes for inspection — are the aviation equivalent of a traffic cop behind on his quota blanketing a street with tickets to avoid catching heat from his sergeant. Woe unto thee unlucky enough to double park.
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Not being one to defend the regulator who can act like a pompous ass sometimes, there are times when you have to ask why the airlines have put themselves in this position.

If you take a look at FAA Ad 2006-15-15 which was issued in the fall of 2006, you will see that the labour involved per a/c was approximately 12 hours. Hardly a big deal.
Since the issuance of the AD, in 2006, I am sure that virtually all of their a/c could have had this simple AD complied with correctly as they passed through regular maintenance cycles.

The CEO of American airlines has accepted the blame for the failure of their system to comply and whether CNN hypes it up because over 3000 flights have been canceled, doesn't justify that the AD wasn't complied with.

You want to have self regulation, have at it and be prepared to answer when the time comes. Many people and organizations the world over have fought against this idea of self regulation and were dismissed.



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carholm is correct:

You can't have it both ways...the rules are there to be followed it is not black magic.

If an AD is issued there is no excuse for not complying with the AD as issued.

In the final analysis the law trumps company policies and company procedures.

Ergo..we have A.A. and their loss of revenue and loss of public confidence...not to mention the public will not soon forget the pain they were put through.
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From the CNN report above:
And changing the culture of the FAA so it's less reliant on airline self-regulation, as the Department of Transportation's Inspector General recommended this week, will require significantly increased funding for inspectors
Hmm. Are you listening Mr. Cannon?
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Hmm. Are you listening Mr. Cannon?
Of course he is widow...he is listening to Pruess and his ilk.
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The term in the not to distant future will not be inspectors but enforcers. Its bad enough some of them have this mightier than thou attitude, but when they start flaunting this title as enforcement officers, watch out, the next thing they will want is to carry side arms!
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SeptRepair wrote:The term in the not to distant future will not be inspectors but enforcers.
Actually, if you've been following the organizational changes within Civil Aviation, it's far more likely to be auditors rather than inspectors. Check out the Regional End State Model for 2010 under Operations Manager:

National Organization Transition Implementation Project - 2010 Organization
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so, we see it is all a crock.
Wonder when the dying will start?
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You don't think it already has? C-7 may not have made it through Parliament yet, but TC has been working towards it long enough that effective regulation and oversight is an established problem. They have written plenty of reports on themselves which make this clear, and then buried them of course. Called them "failed documents", like the DMR report described by Hugh Danford at the Committee hearings.
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widow you have provided only the negative stories on TC and their inability to do their jobs in an efficient manner..

...however in all fairness to TC and some of their top management I think we need examples of where they stepped up to the plate and made decisions that were quick and focused on protecting others.

Sure they did not do anything about the pilot in that link you posted and there is a very good reason they did not.

That pilot was only a danger to the ordinary public thus not really worth bothering to do anything about.

So in defense of TCCA and as proof that they can be very effective may I point out that your friend Dave Nowzek stepped up to the plate so to speak to protect one of his own inspectors when he used his authority to make sure that I would be denied the right to work in my chosen profession in Canada. And with the help of his pal Merlin Preuss they were very sucessful in ending my career in Canada.....true I was never a threat to the general public as a pilot as in over fifty years I had never had an accident nor a violation of the rules.....but I was a threat to them just like the guy they screwed in their own organization in that report.

Just thought I would add some balance to this issue and give TCCA some credit for being very effective when they need to protect their own.
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. . wrote:
Just thought I would add some balance to this issue and give TCCA some credit for being very effective when they need to protect their own.
Why do i picture the whole Homer Simpson "I'm being sarcastic, in case you didn't know!" deal?
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Wonder when the dying will start?
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